jb5k1 - when you say "control" it, do you mean do that exercise on a daily basis or while i'm gettin some keep flexing it.

gHEXjt - thanks, good advice

BFTrick - kk i'll try it

Late_Vamp - ah yes i've tried this it seems to work, just wondering about other methods.

TAVS - then shut the **** up and don't make a bullshit post to increase your post count

misombra - we've noticed, i think i posted that in the original thread. you are now awarded a nobel prize.

bluesummer - your eye.