Oh gosh.. women crack me up.. when they feel they have no grounds on a topic.. they start to come in strong via getting nasty, name-calling, and trying to attack the ego.. Indi.. seriously.. you're better than that.. and besides.. like i've said early in this thread.. it's an "Inner game" thread.. not a "tactics" thread..

OV, this thread is to make you realize certain things about yourself.. I want to help take you on an inner journey to realize the value inside of you.. and so far.. you've showed ZERO willingness to take the journey.. and like I told you.. I can't take it for you.. it's a step YOU have to take..

I'm also not going to degrade or insult anyone's advice.. But I would like you ladies to realize that you're looking at the flip-side of the coin here.. yes, women play games.. and when guys play games, all of a sudden they turn into moral/ethical creatures with manners which talk about what is proper.. All of a sudden they want a "real" gentleman who doesn't play games.. or so they claim.. before they run off to someone who does.. That's one of the typical responses I get; the other is obviously the "oh, that would never work on me.. I want a "real" man, that doesn't play games, that I can control, that I can mold like clay.."

If there would be a thread about how girls/women should get guys, what games they should play.. It would obviously follow that some guys would flood it with "oh g-d, these games are so annoying.. a "real" woman/lady doesn't need to do this.. blah blah".. Then you would get some guys saying "I would never fall for that".. and some other guys calling these women "b*tches & insecure".. all because it bothers them inside to watch other girls get armed with how to mentally terrorize guys.. fair enough.. that's the battle of the sexes.. but don't think for a second that i'll feel any reservations to call anyone on their moral-ethical-bullsh*t..

In a perfect world, nobody would play games, everyone would be a 10, and so on and so forth.. but we don't live in such a world.. there are people who are bored.. people who are immature.. notties in a group.. orbiters in a group.. jerk guys who come and try and take your group you've been working hard on.. and a bunch of whako/sicko people in that mix..

But like i've said very early in this thread.. let's NOT turn it into a "theory" thread.. PM for that.. let's keep it a place to develop your "inner game"..

Inner game is NOT about changing who you are.. it's NOT about being FAKE.. it's NOT about making you into something you're not.. but it IS about improvement.. it IS about discovering the value you already have.. it IS about realizing that value so clearly and being so fully aware of it that you can develop a strong sense of your personal identity.. and it IS about bringing out the best in you, locking it in as an internal reality, and being able to automatically and unconsciously present it to others..

OV.. i'm waiting for your answers to those Inner Game questions..

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