I agree wholeheartedly, nice guys absolutely *do* finish last, if at all. The key is to avoid becoming her friend--at all costs.

When you meet a girl you like, go straight to the business after a brief chat: ask for her home number. In other words, you must "close" her. When you call, make a date and get off the line.

Why? Because you *must* avoid becoming her friend/confidante. If you become her friend, there's no going back; it's like becoming a lawyer and then deciding that you actually wanted to be a surgeon. It usually cannot be done.

I learnt it the hard way. It's counterintuitive, which is why most guys, myself included, get it wrong.

I hope this helps.

Ladies' fan.