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RSK
07-01-06, 02:52 AM
Cybog has posted a sticky on the gen discussion forum. Basically, he wants us to keep 'on topic' in the various discussions. His reasoning - the area has become a 'mess' with off topic discussions that 'others' cannot get into because they have been hijacked by the regulars...

...on the other hand...

...we have a lot of regulars who feel it is a part of the LF experience, to talk to 'other' LF members, and post threads and talk 'within them' as freely as they may - whevever and however the discussion leads.



Well, I think I found a solution to meet halfway!



For this to work, ONE THING is required: The Mods should do their job of tracking which threads go off topic, and which don't. It's supposed to be their job anyway!

Hear me out...

As soon as a thread goes 'off topic', then the MOD should 'mark the thread'.

Therefore, as soon as the thread has been 'marked', it is known that the thread is no longer a discussion, except 'whatever' talk not related to the title of the thread...



For this to Work, Mods must be doing their job!

Tone
07-01-06, 02:59 AM
LoL so many threads go off topic though... I think they should just be more lenient on the General Discussion forum. Sure they can crack down every other section to make sure no junk gets posted, but the General Discussion should be 1 out of the 12 or whatever forums we have here that should be allowed to get off topic, and we can have free conversation with one another without the thread being deleted by a mod.

alice
07-01-06, 03:06 AM
yes, i agree with tone.
your suggestion, RSK, would cause a lot of extra work.

Lloyd95
07-01-06, 03:25 AM
OR, do what Ive been saying all along, Label General Discussion "Off Topic" and Newbs know not to go in there if they're looking for advice.

Sounds pretty smart now, huh?

vashti
07-01-06, 05:28 AM
Eh, the people who want advice are always given advice on the first couple of pages before a thread goes off topic, so I am not particularly bothered by these so-called issues.

Asip4u
07-01-06, 05:49 AM
I don't see a big deal in all this. Mods are there to sort all this stuff and delete useless garbage. Knowing the fact that too many teenagers, who don't care very much where/what they post, will come on here, it's all pointless.

Rosebud
07-01-06, 07:57 AM
Yay, Asip.....ugh....hey where'd you go???

Anywho, All I know is that I haven't got a warning about anything so far so I must be doing something right!

indigosoul
07-01-06, 12:02 PM
Eh, the people who want advice are always given advice on the first couple of pages before a thread goes off topic, so I am not particularly bothered by these so-called issues.

Agree with everything in this post. Cyborg is in danger of becoming a Forum Nazi, excessively repressive, with this idea (I haven't actually read his suggestion, mind, will go do so immediately). But I think the general idea sounds like micromanagement. And as often as a thread goes off-topic, so will someone read the original post and bring it back. I've done this many times myself, both digressing and bringing back to point.

Perhaps it should be written in the General Forum rules as a general point of etiquette (if it isn't already), but not as an enforced reason to delete a post. Some of the digressions have been extremely amusing contrasts to a thread otherwise in danger of being too serious. This counterpoint actually keeps my interest in coming back. I think I'd stop posting if things became too regulated.

indigosoul
07-01-06, 12:29 PM
OK, I read his post. Its pretty bald, but given what I understand he was required to sift through, I understand his frustration. Here's how I would deal with this:

Post a reminder about Forum Etiquette, as I suggest.

DON'T blast everyone, just the specific few that are repeat offenders. EVERYONE on here has derailed a thread occasionally, including Cybog. (let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone...)

Ban those who refuse to comply. Particularly if they are the source of several complaints. And I think this should require the consensus of more than one mod.

Its practically impossible, BTW, to define what constitutes "derailment" anyway. And as far as the "list" Cybog provided, its terribly restrictive. Philsophy, art, science...marriage problems... I didn't see any of those issues listed and I know that many find those topics of interest. You see my point.

Now... lets move on. And thanks, Cybog for being so diligent.

indigosoul
07-01-06, 12:32 PM
yes, i agree with tone.
your suggestion, RSK, would cause a lot of extra work.

And this too. Agreed. Plus, it doesn't allow for the times when a thread DOES go back on topic.

Tone
08-01-06, 03:02 AM
Good points indi...

A lot of times it does happen that a thread might go off topic for a few posts.. but then it gets back on topic with more help for the original poster.

RSK
08-01-06, 03:18 AM
yeah, i suppose i'm wrong

:(

Illusional
08-01-06, 11:53 AM
did you know that cy is the one who actually pays for this internet space?? oooooh there is something to think about huh? well actually it's not true, but that would seemingly turn things around.

raverboy

theotherguy0123
08-01-06, 03:02 PM
isn't his name Cybog, not Cyborg?

Illusional
08-01-06, 03:05 PM
yes, his sn is cybog.. rsk never gets anything correct.

raverboy

indigosoul
09-01-06, 04:49 AM
yes, his sn is cybog.. rsk never gets anything correct.

raverboy

Raverboy, are you derailing this thread...???
;)

I didn't get it right either (on purpose). Cyborg is some kind of SF robot, I think...

PS (deliberate derail) - Hawaii is beautiful. I'm jealous you live there year round.

Cybog
11-01-06, 02:41 PM
I don't normally respond to this sort of madness, but this time I will make an exception.


As soon as a thread goes 'off topic', then the MOD should 'mark the thread'.

Therefore, as soon as the thread has been 'marked', it is known that the thread is no longer a discussion, except 'whatever' talk not related to the title of the thread...

For this to Work, Mods must be doing their job!

First of all, given the type of interface mods have dealing with the forum, this is impossible to do, other than me hand-selecting each thread and making myself a post-it note to remind myself to keep an eye on it.

Forget it.

Mods must be "doing their job"? Would you like to see a screenshot of the amount of garbage myself and the other mods cull around here?

The fact of the matter is - NONE of you see the shit that has been edited, but we mods do. The idea here is that everything looks find and dandy and on topic and (mostly) free of spam and advertising.

We do our best to keep it this way around here. Some of you post so godamn much, you don't even realize some of the crap you have posted and I have deleted. The "rofl" or "hahaha" or "......." replies usually get deleted on the spot. The random thoughts in the middle of a post are crushed. The e-hitting and personal messages and "Old Timer" chat goes away fast. There is so much of this that is gets old real fast, but I still delete it and try to do my best.

Why do we do this?

Nothing is more annoying for a "newbie" looking for help or advice and having to sift through stupid crap. We edit and moderate for the MAJORITY, not for the 5-10 of you with thousands of posts under your belt. There are TONS of people who come to this site a day and NEVER register. They come for help and advice. Not to sift through 10/12 crappy posts to find 2 good ones.

Should we change the "General" Discussion" forum to something more fitting with stupid stuff?

Why? The intelligent browser will look at the list of places to post stuff, and HOPEfully post it in the correct area. We all know this doesn't always happen, so us mods get to move shit around.

I don't have a problem with starting a NEW "Free For All" forum. I will talk to Loveadmin about adding this. But for the time being, General chat is STILL a thread for people to talk about General TOPICS. Sure, the ones that I listed were vague and boring, but that wasn't the point. The point is to keep things relatively on point.

Right now I don't moderate the General chat much at all, so for me to be compared to a "Forum Nazi" is a bit of a stretch. I moderate the Dating and Dumping and Sex 95% of the time. If a General gets WAY out of hand or people start flaming each other, then I might step in and make some stuff disappear.

Don't worry about me suddenly erasing everything that moves around here. The fact of the matter is that for General Chat, most of it will stay - But when RSK or others just start randomly posting "Increase your Post count here!" type of threads that serve absolutely no purpose other than senseless yammering, it serves no purpose here, or in ANY area and will likely disappear as well.

Cybog
11-01-06, 03:49 PM
As you have noticed, General has changed to Off-Topic.

It will still be moderated for spam and porn and whatnot, but if topics get out of hand, so be it.

It wont be moderated for moot content for the most part.

Lloyd95
11-01-06, 09:55 PM
As you have noticed, General has changed to Off-Topic.

Awesome! I think this will help, at least those new non-members looking for "love" advice; they shouldn't go in there, and if they do, well, they asked for it.

Another thought: On another site where I go, the "Off Topic" posts don't count toward Members total post count. I imagine this might clean up any useless stuff that some may be inclined to post ("Increase your post count here")

Again, I'm all for eliminating post counts all together.

Tone
11-01-06, 10:16 PM
Sweet, thanks Cybog.

Cybog
12-01-06, 03:11 AM
As far as post counts go, as I stated in a different post, I have no control over this. Unless a majority of the members really wanted some kind of changes in how post counting works, then maybe we can talk to Loveadmin about it, but otherwise I don't think it is such a big deal...?

Rosebud
12-01-06, 03:13 AM
See, that's what I say but I get harrassed a lot because of my post count. I just talk a lot though... :)

RSK
12-01-06, 04:14 AM
if we get rid of post counts, then how do we know WHO to respect around here, and who is just blowing HOT AIR?

i mean, we need some kind of Ranking system...

i was gonna go a step further, and suggest:

the MORE posts one has, the MORE power that person should have...

this qualifies Loveadmin as a newbie, and it makes me (or soon to be) King!



so, what da ya say?

Tone
12-01-06, 04:16 AM
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RSK
12-01-06, 04:22 AM
lol Tone, that put a huge smile on my face...

...the day i become mod, would be the day the earth stops rotating, and spins the other way...








...but if I WAS Mod, the first thing i'd do is get rid of the 'LOVE FORUM', and expand the 'FUN FORUM'............lol





jk

Illusional
14-01-06, 04:33 PM
all the members need to remember just one thing. that i'm the ruler of LF. LA is my trusty sidekick that accompanies me on my many journeys to the far east. he keeps me company and guides my donkey when i'm searching for new methods to further develop my unique fighting styles.

however, as for the off-topic section. i feel that things won't really be any different just because we changed the name of a section. it's all still talk about nonsense to me.

raverboy

alice
14-01-06, 09:00 PM
however, as for the off-topic section. i feel that things won't really be any different just because we changed the name of a section. it's all still talk about nonsense to me.

raverboy

but now we are entitled to talk about nonsense.

Tone
15-01-06, 11:52 PM
Yeah, you're a few days late raverboy.

Illusional
18-01-06, 05:11 PM
well i'm sorry for not being able to be here on a daily basis tone. i have other things in my life at the current moment.

and alice, basically this whole general discussion/off topic section is basically about nonsense.

raverboy

loveadmin
18-01-06, 11:26 PM
Thread closed. No flaming at moderator. Any member found opening another thread talking about moderator will get a straight temporary ban from the forum.

Illusional
19-01-06, 11:21 AM
whooo whooo for loveadmin.

...however, i didn't see anyone flame me, nor did i take offense to anything that was said. well reguardless, it's all your call.

raverboy

Kiechi
20-01-06, 12:45 AM
Thread closed. No flaming at moderator. Any member found opening another thread talking about moderator will get a straight temporary ban from the forum.

Mod Assasination Thread = I smell a ban :o