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miSSleepy
05-12-07, 08:33 AM
recent threads made me create this one, but honestly, it's something i've been thinking about since i got out of highschool.

I'm not talking about homosexuals here, i'm talking about the straight man who has more facial scrubs and hair products than I do. The guy who wears pink shirts. The television ads promoting men's beauty products, the ones that place them in subordinate roles or downplay them ... if there's an add with two people where one is supposed to be clumsy and clueless, it will be the man, because if it was the woman that would be sexist.
There are tons of other things. I'm sure, on their own, the above examples are harmless, but put together I think it's the cause of metrosexuals and feminisation of men, somewhat. Maybe I'm being too old fashioned, but I'm still a woman and I want a MAN. :D

EmoBlackBelt
05-12-07, 08:43 AM
It's like that with any demographic that has been an oppressor. Women have been oppressed, so you can't portray them negatively. Same with blacks. The only group that is still considered sub-human in today's society is homosexuals. (And to a lesser extent, fat people.) One day (when we don't have a homophobe in the white house) we won't be able to make fun of them either. If you are a white, heterosexual, Christian male, you are the victim of more unwarranted prejudice than any other demographic, except in cases in which politics plays a role, i.e. Muslims. That's why black comedians can tell racist jokes and whites can't. That's why on television the man is always the fat oaf and the source of the comic relief, while the woman is the voice of reason. It's sad really.

vashti
05-12-07, 08:59 AM
I think you are overthinking this. Sex sells. Media promotes sex (and related products)to make money. It was only a matter of time before men were targeted to purchase "beauty supplies", just as women have been for years and years.

As for the negative examples of men on TV: I'm not sure they are being portrayed any worse now than they have been in the past. Ever heard of the Honeymooners? All in the Family? Anyway, I don't really watch network TV. All of the characters are idiots, and they are meant to appeal to idiots.

And I think it is ridiculous to try and paint white, Christian males as the victims of prejudice.

miSSleepy
05-12-07, 09:01 AM
I've come to terms with the fact that sex sells
I've just been thinking alot about how it's now 'in' to be the sensetive new age guy .... echh

vashti
05-12-07, 09:05 AM
I'm not much a fan of overly sensitive males OR females, to be honest.

EmoBlackBelt
05-12-07, 09:05 AM
And I think it is ridiculous to try and paint white, Christian males as the victims of prejudice.

And that's where the prejudice is. No one thinks it's possible, so they ignore it when it happens. We are the victims of prejudice, simply because we're not allowed to be prejudiced like everyone else. How many black comics have made a career out of insulting white people? Could a white comic do that? Very rarely. Frankly, I'm tired of having to defend myself from people who accuse me of being racist, just because I'm white. Accusing someone of racism can be a form of racism.

And Edith from All in the Family was an idiot.

miSSleepy
05-12-07, 09:08 AM
eddie Murphy
anyone seen his standups?

vashti
05-12-07, 09:09 AM
Yes, Edith was an idiot, and she was married to an even bigger idiot.

White, Christian males are the most powerful group of people in the world. You are going to have a really hard time gaining any sympathy for your point of view except amongst other white, Christian males (and their mommys).

EmoBlackBelt
05-12-07, 11:36 AM
I'm not trying to gain sympathy. I'm just pointing out the fact that when someone is prejudiced towards white men, no one says a thing in their defense. It's not that the prejudice itself is any worse. It's just the level of acceptance of that prejudice that bothers me. If I were to say that women were unintelligent, several people would immediately rise to their defense. But if a woman said that men were unintelligent, women would smile and nod, and men wouldn't be able to say a damn thing. If you see a couple on the street and the man slaps the woman, people would assume the man was an abusive asshole. But if a woman slapped a man, they would say he probably had it comming. There are always exceptions of course, but this is mainly concerning the media and its portrayal of men as brutish retards.

Mish
05-12-07, 12:00 PM
There are tons of other things. I'm sure, on their own, the above examples are harmless, but put together I think it's the cause of metrosexuals and feminisation of men, somewhat. Maybe I'm being too old fashioned, but I'm still a woman and I want a MAN. :D

Rant

Oh yes, the feminisation of men has been happening for quite awhile now. The race towards equality has fuelled a rush towards androginy in both men and women. The women have seen the equal opportunities and availble places that require a form of musculinity so they develop it and go for it. They take up boxing and martial arts classes, go to Gym to become stronger more confident and more dominant.

While men had seen the same eqaul opportunity on the other side of the fence. Why waste time being the hunter when you can be irresitible and attract women and opportunities instead? They wear clothing that stands out. Take up dancing lessons to learn hot moves that make people go wild. They become the first impression that lasts and stays in your memory for long after they are no longer physcially present. Being musculine and feminine at the same time and using both to your advantage depending on the situation opens up a whole new door of opportunities that was never available to them.

Add into the mix the materialism and "eternal youth" aspects that our culture seems to encourage and you can see the reason and the "why".

/Rant

Mish
05-12-07, 12:01 PM
eddie Murphy
anyone seen his standups?

Both Delirious and Raw about 30 times

EmoBlackBelt
05-12-07, 12:30 PM
Hey, here's a hypothetical question for you. If I met a girl, hit it off, and went on a date, and at said date she asked me what I do for a living, and I said I wanted to be a house husband, do you think I'd get a second date? Just something to marinate on.


Anyway, I say you get to pick: Either you get to vote, or you get men who don't wear pink. It's that simple. :D

anachronistic
05-12-07, 01:20 PM
Maybe it's an Australian thing. I'm only in the bathroom washing as long as I need to be, which is usually 15-20 minutes.

IndiReloaded
05-12-07, 03:01 PM
All I have to say is this kind of man will never lack a willing partner:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/indigosoul01/fireman-rescuing-baby--pr78316.jpg

Mish
05-12-07, 06:46 PM
All I have to say is this kind of man will never lack a willing partner:

Be it male or female

misombra
05-12-07, 11:03 PM
And that's where the prejudice is. No one thinks it's possible, so they ignore it when it happens. We are the victims of prejudice, simply because we're not allowed to be prejudiced like everyone else. How many black comics have made a career out of insulting white people? Could a white comic do that? Very rarely. Frankly, I'm tired of having to defend myself from people who accuse me of being racist, just because I'm white. Accusing someone of racism can be a form of racism.

the only way this country was able to prosper so quickly was because white people beat brown people into submission, worked them day and night, made them sleep outside, and sold their children to brutal masters.


i don't think ya'll can be that upset over a brown guy making some money by making fun of you.

anachronistic
05-12-07, 11:50 PM
the only way this country was able to prosper so quickly was because white people beat brown people into submission, worked them day and night, made them sleep outside, and sold their children to brutal masters.


i don't think ya'll can be that upset over a brown guy making some money by making fun of you.

Oh bologna.

misombra
05-12-07, 11:55 PM
oh gawd here come all the white people again.

::runs away::

Kiechi
06-12-07, 02:36 AM
Out of curiosity Sombra', what do you mean by "Brown"? In the UK, one would think "Indian/Pakastani". I'm assuming Mexican, non?

IndiReloaded
06-12-07, 05:26 AM
Be it male or female

LOL, are you saying that fireman looks gay? Tsk, tsk, Mish... you're being catty dahling, if so.

Tedel
06-12-07, 06:54 AM
Well, I think this topic is one of those that may become endless. As I see it, there has really been a feminization on men all over; and perhaps it mught be pityful for some women, yet others like it more than a chauvinist dude who only wanted them to cook, iron, wash and clean.

I guess we will never be satisfied. There are social trends here and there, and there will be more having their own peaks and valleys.

Should there be a bright side about the feminization of man is that you just stop behaving too manly when you ain't interested in a girl and she'll be gone in a matter of minutes. So it ain't that bad. Another positive thing is that you can hide your aggressiveness and help your girl feel a little safer (that insecure some girls have turned into, disgracefully) and she can also help them feel more self-confident to say what they want to say, instead of just hiding it for fear of your reaction.

As a man, I have a tender side and I like the idea of taking it out to breathe some fresh air now and then. That doesn't make me sissy. It makes me a little more human. This doesn't mean you'll end up with my shoe stuck in your a** if you ever there to hurt someone I love.

As a man, I am not only ready for that but I know it my responsibility. :french:

Junket
06-12-07, 07:27 AM
i don't think ya'll can be that upset over a brown guy making some money by making fun of you.

Yeah, and blacks still deserve reparations.

Fúck that shit.

Gigabitch
06-12-07, 08:32 AM
Hubba hubba, fireman!

After having been married to a "manly man" for many years, I really appreciate the one I've got now. He has clean fingernails. He keeps his car super tidy. I trust him to do my laundry without ruining my lacy things.

I may even buy him a pink shirt.

Mish
06-12-07, 09:42 AM
Out of curiosity Sombra', what do you mean by "Brown"? In the UK, one would think "Indian/Pakastani". I'm assuming Mexican, non?

I think Miso is mostly referring to her internal conflict, being of white blood and all

EmoBlackBelt
06-12-07, 09:51 AM
the only way this country was able to prosper so quickly was because white people beat brown people into submission, worked them day and night, made them sleep outside, and sold their children to brutal masters.

And if I had any part in that whatsoever, maybe I'd feel bad about it. I still don't think that's an excuse for minorities to be racist against those who have done nothing to hurt them.

Kiechi
06-12-07, 09:53 AM
^ Shush it cracka'.

EmoBlackBelt
06-12-07, 09:59 AM
^ Shush it cracka'.

I assume you're being sarcastic.

If your dad punched my dad, and they were both dead, should I be angry at you? No, that would be ridiculous. I have never been racist or prejudiced towards anyone in my life, but I'm constantly made to feel guilty for crimes I didn't commit. It's no different than Mel Gibson being mad at Jews for killing Jesus. Maybe it's the area in which I live that made me grow up this way, I don't know. All I'm saying is that every race can be just as racist as whites.

Kiechi
06-12-07, 10:03 AM
I assume you're being sarcastic.



Maybe.

I still do think to a degree, white folks are racist.

EmoBlackBelt
06-12-07, 10:08 AM
Maybe.

I still do think to a degree, white folks are racist.

But isn't that racist?

Kiechi
06-12-07, 11:24 AM
But isn't that racist?

Prob'.

_____________

vashti
06-12-07, 11:29 AM
Maybe.

I still do think to a degree, white folks are racist.

I'm white on the outside and brown on the inside... a reverse oreo. :)

Kiechi
06-12-07, 12:25 PM
I'm white on the outside and brown on the inside... a reverse oreo. :)

Haha, I don't know what to say but.. do you taste as good as normal oreos?

Also, I mean no offense by my comment. Of course not all white people are racist, but bad experiences become the basis of ones generalisations, no matter how unjustified they may sound.

EmoBlackBelt
06-12-07, 03:11 PM
I'm sorry, what? :surprised

No one said anything racist. We're all just saying we're tired of being the victims of racism. What's wrong with that?


And like magic, the post is gone. That was ****ing retarded.

Mish
06-12-07, 03:40 PM
I'm white on the outside and brown on the inside... a reverse oreo. :)

Haha

Funniest thing I read all day!


Vash, you're so white on the inside, you're almost transparent :D

EmoBlackBelt
06-12-07, 04:00 PM
I like to think I'm black from the waist down and Asian from the neck up. ;)

Junket
06-12-07, 08:19 PM
I like to think I'm black from the waist down and Asian from the neck up. ;)

You dirty f˙cking whore.

misombra
06-12-07, 10:15 PM
that's what bugs me about white people. they think they're entitled to everything. nobody should make fun of them or talk shit about them or they cry and call you racist.

brown people all around the world get treated like shit while you guys whine and cry about being made fun of.

Mish
06-12-07, 10:32 PM
Yes, every single white person is evil and every single brown-white person is an innocent victim of a great white devil conspiracy


It can't be any other way because Miso said so

Gribble
07-12-07, 01:36 AM
Thing is, a black person can crack a joke about a white guy, and if it 's in good humor it's no biggie.

But if a white guy cracks a joke about a black guy he's a racist shithead.

That's bull. Personally, I mock every ethnicity, culture, and both genders regularly. I'm an equal opportunity hater. And **** all those sensitive people who just want an excuse to feel victimized so that they can justify their own anger and racism.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 01:44 AM
You're entitled to what you take in this life. There are just too many examples of ppl of all races who've had ample opportunity of success and squandered it.

Re: stereotypes. Should I be jealous of incredibly talented 'black' athletes making millions b/c they happen to have incredible genes for doing physical sports? Or asians b/c they come from a culture that emphasizes hard work so they get more done simply by sheer lack of sloth? Or native americans for having the smarts to work the system so they can run incredibly profitable casinos & take money from dumb middle-class white ppl?

I have absolutely no guilt about who I am. Thinking that way is to screw yourself out of success before you even get started. Every 'race', every individual, has natural advantages. Put them to their best use and stop whining about who has more. The universe doesn't play favourites.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 02:21 AM
that's what bugs me about white people. they think they're entitled to everything. nobody should make fun of them or talk shit about them or they cry and call you racist.

My whole point was that whites are accused of racism almost constantly. People say shit about white people all the time, and we can't say anything, or else we'll be called racists. And I think everyone is entitled to everything. Not just minorities, and not just whites either. No one should talk shit about anyone. That was my point. I'm not keeping anybody down. I just wish people didn't assume I was racist all the time because of my skin color. The racism white people experience isn't hate, it's fear. And it makes me feel terrible when people think the worst of me without even knowing me. I'm not an oppressor and I'm tired of people viewing me as such. That's all I'm trying to say.

misombra
07-12-07, 03:32 AM
But isn't that racist?


Or native americans for having the smarts to work the system so they can run incredibly profitable casinos & take money from dumb middle-class white ppl?

.

those casinos take money from the poor, stupid, brown, and elderly.

anyway, i mostly kid. you know i love white people. have you seen my thread about james taylor?

i just like to make ya'll whiteys mad.

Gribble
07-12-07, 03:37 AM
I'm not even white and I experience racism from blacks. When I meet black people they're often very distant at first. They mutter under their breath about me as if I can't hear, etc.

When I tell them I'm Cuban their eyes light up, they tell their friends that I'm almost one of them, and we all get along marvelously.

On the other side of the coin, I once went to a barbershop in a little out-of-the-way town. There were two old white men who worked there and a Mexican customer. About halfway through my own haircut the Mexican finished up, paid, and left. No sooner was he out the door than those two old men started talking trash about spics which lead to a discussion about niggers. I think one of them said something to the effect that not all niggers are bad. After all, they're smart enough to hate spics. Oh, and during this conversation the barber was shaving my throat with a straight razor.

Racism goes both ways. And it's equally stupid, regardless.

Tedel
07-12-07, 04:55 AM
But isn't that racist?
Crap. Racism is over. The biological difference between a black and a white is 0.09% according to the research of the human genome, at least.

Of course, the difference between a smart guy and an as**ole is much larger, but that's another story. :D

Gigabitch
07-12-07, 05:52 AM
I like to think I'm black from the waist down and Asian from the neck up. ;)

Talk is cheap. Post a pic.

And I agree with Tedel, there. I'm prejudiced against the mouth open, drooling stupid. No matter what color they are.

vashti
07-12-07, 07:17 AM
My whole point was that whites are accused of racism almost constantly. People say shit about white people all the time, and we can't say anything, or else we'll be called racists.

I don't understand why this happens to you "almost constantly". I can only remember being called "racist" only once in my whole life, and that was by a Mexican friend in high school.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:02 AM
I don't understand why this happens to you "almost constantly". I can only remember being called "racist" only once in my whole life, and that was by a Mexican friend in high school.

It doesn't happen to me much anymore. But when I was growing up I lived in an area that was maybe 20% white. I was the target of a lot of discrimination. But what I was really referring to was the "racism police" i.e. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, who try to make all white peole out to be the devil. I've gone to black poetry readings before, and 90% of the stuff was about overcomming whites. I wasn't aware I needed to be "overcome."

Gigabitch
07-12-07, 08:13 AM
Sounds like you're not carrying your share of the White Guilt Burden, Emo. It's the modern version of Original Sin.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:18 AM
I have nothing to feel guilty for, just like modern Germans need not feel guilty for the holocaust, nor modern Jews for killing Jesus. I didn't do anything to hurt anyone. Anyone who thinks I should feel guilty for something I didn't do can **** themselves.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 08:20 AM
Shut the hell up Emo. Feminized men aren't allowed to have an opinion, esp white ones, didn't you know? Its all up to racially oppressed minorities now to make the decisions. People like Vicente Fox & Oprah Winfrey. :)

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:24 AM
Shut the hell up Emo. Feminized men aren't allowed to have an opinion, esp white ones, didn't you know? Its all up to racially oppressed minorities now to make the decisions. People like Vicente Fox & Oprah Winfrey. :)

Isn't it a little sad that the most powerful woman in America (who isn't powerful just because she has a powerful husband) is a talk show host? It seems to me that minorities should be a hell of a lot less pissed off, and women should be a hell of a lot more.

Gigabitch
07-12-07, 08:26 AM
Guess there will be a lot of minorities ****ing themselves tonight.

I agree with Emo. We need to work on making a fair today, not ruminate about an unfair yesterday. Life is too short for that shit, and if you want to change things, there's no room for trying to enforce racial divisions, for whatever reason.

I've had people act ****ing hateful to me because I look like their idea of a White Bitch. These people fall into the category of Asshole. I've also known white people who loathed themselves and tried really hard to dissociate from their race rather than change the perception of others by acting right. These people are also assholes.

I'm not going to spend my life feeling like shit because other white people are and have been assholes. I don't hate brown people. I don't hate black people. I just hate assholes.

misombra
07-12-07, 08:31 AM
i don't really care if somebody is racist. it doesn't bother me in the slightest. if somebody doesn't like hispanic people like me, then so? don't talk to me and leave me alone. you're only isolating yourself.

if you're white, then you should be proud of that. if somebody doesn't like you because you're white then why be upset about it? why double the hate. just let it go.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 08:34 AM
Isn't it a little sad that the most powerful woman in America (who isn't powerful just because she has a powerful husband) is a talk show host?

Why is it sad? She saw an opportunity & grabbed it. Phil Donohue & his ilk weren't connecting w/ppl enough precisely b/c of their image. Tho I don't watch her show, I think she gave a lot of ppl something they wanted. Good for her.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:35 AM
I wish I could be proud to be white. But sadly, that is frowned upon. If I said anything about white pride in the real world, I might as well put on a sheet and a pointy hat.

misombra
07-12-07, 08:36 AM
I wish I could be proud to be white. But sadly, that is frowned upon. If I said anything about white pride in the real world, I might as well put on a sheet and a pointy hat.

well sadly, being brown is frowned upon too. sadly way more frowned upon then it is to be white. no sympathy here. and it doesn't make me less proud...

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:37 AM
It's not sad that Oprah is powerful. It's sad that there aren't a lot of female leaders in politics and world affairs. A woman would have never invaded Iraq.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 08:46 AM
It's not sad that Oprah is powerful. It's sad that there aren't a lot of female leaders in politics and world affairs. A woman would have never invaded Iraq.

They're coming. How about Cristina Kirchner (Argentina)? Hillary Clinton is damned brilliant; it wasn't all Bill doing the thinking in that office. She's also thoughtful. I finally read 'It Takes A Village' not too long ago. The writing itself is merely okay, but she's aware of a lot of the issues facing minorities & children. She'll be a good US leader if the damned middle-US states can pull their asses out of the 1950s & actually give her the reigns.

Tho I'd also support Al Gore as prez. He's also a very smart, thoughtful man. Too bad he isn't more charismatic.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 08:50 AM
The 2008 race shouldn't even have a republican candidate. Who would vote for one after the last nutjob we had. Mike Huckabee's leading issue was the second ammendment. Are you kidding? Is that what's important right now? At this point, I'll take anybody other than another old, white, Christian male. Ironic, isn't it?

misombra
07-12-07, 08:58 AM
i always say there's always hope. but i can tell you all that anybody who gets elected next is going to suck just as much or more than bush.

our electoral system is jacked, democracy is jacked, the political system is corrupt, the single vote means nothing. i really don't have any hope for the next presidency. i predict it'll be the same shit over and over again. more time will pass wasted, more people will die, more people will be tortured and imprisoned, more people will be enslaved to debt, and more stressed out people will shoot up the schools and the malls.

but i love this country and still want to fight for it.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 09:09 AM
I have the firm belief that what will happen over the course of the future has already been decided by people far more powerful than the president. Democracy is dead, or more accurately, it never existed. At least with Clinton and Obama, I don't get pissed off just from hearing them talk like I do with Bush. If we're going to be skrewed as a nation anyway, I want a president I don't mind listening to.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 09:14 AM
I have the firm belief that what will happen over the course of the future has already been decided by people far more powerful than the president.

Defeatist little shit! Just b/c a problem may be too big for you to wrap your brain around about doesn't mean you can't have a worthy opinion. You've let the mass media info overload get to you. Take a step back & trust your mind & judgement. Its all you've got.

Go read the thread about the Brave New World essay. This is exactly the kind of thing Huxley warned us about.

Meh, I'm on a verge of a rant (again) on this subject. I'll stop now. :mad:

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 09:19 AM
I understand the problem perfectly. But I as an individual don't have access to a means of fixing it. I won't go into what I believe, because it probably sounds retarded to someone who thinks that a person's vote counts for something and that a politician really has power beyond what they are made to do by the people who control them.

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 09:44 AM
I understand the problem perfectly. But I as an individual don't have access to a means of fixing it.

Firm belief you say. Meh. Based on what? You're lack of actually trying to do anything useful? Who do you THINK makes decisions? Large corporations? Countries? Corporations & countries aren't anything themselves, they are constructs made up of individuals, making individual decisions.

I could write essays about SINGLE INDIVIDUALS who have changed the entire course of human history. But unless you are completely ignorant, you should have some idea of what I'm talking about.

You young ones today want, expect, so freaking much, but you aren't actually prepared to do any of the legwork or thinking that is required to actually achieve things of value. Of course you don't want to explain; you know your attitude is fundamentally based on mental laziness & I'm very capable of ripping you a new asshole to prove it.

Wake up, b/c you're sleeping Emo.

Junket
07-12-07, 09:48 AM
Wake up, b/c you're sleeping Emo.

Pwned.
______

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 09:49 AM
Who do you THINK makes decisions? Large corporations? Countries?

Neither. Societies of people who are invisible to the public, but control everything. I wasn't born into it, so I can't get to it. It's like a monarchy. (I told you it would sound retarded.)

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 09:50 AM
Pwned.

Explain please, how it was exactly that I came to be "pwned."

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 10:06 AM
Neither. Societies of people who are invisible to the public, but control everything. I wasn't born into it, so I can't get to it. It's like a monarchy. (I told you it would sound retarded.)

You've been watching too much Fox News. Who's in that society, hmmm? Bill Gates (lol, you apparently don't remember when he was a penniless geek trying to get ppl to invest in his idea). Oprah? Hell, everyone KNOWS what kind of upbringing she had, she's used her story to very profitable advantage. Errr, Steve Jobs, um, Larry Page. Christ, these were all ppl who just weren't afraid to work their asses off & do something w/their brains.

You can too, Emo. If you quit telling yourself not.

anachronistic
07-12-07, 10:06 AM
This thread is stupid.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 10:10 AM
You've been watching too much Fox News. Who's in that society, hmmm? Bill Gates (lol, you apparently don't remember when he was a penniless geek trying to get ppl to invest in his idea). Oprah? Hell, everyone KNOWS what kind of upbringing she had, she's used her story to very profitable advantage. Errr, Steve Jobs, um, Larry Page. Christ, these were all ppl who just weren't afraid to work their asses off & do something w/their brains.

You can too, Emo. If you quit telling yourself not.

Perhaps you misunderstood. Anyone can make money and become rich. I was refering to the people who influence the government and control the course of global events. I don't think Oprah has ever been in on planning a war before.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 10:11 AM
This thread is stupid.

Make a better one. :P

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 10:15 AM
Perhaps you misunderstood. Anyone can make money and become rich. I was refering to the people who influence the government and control the course of global events. I don't think Oprah has ever been in on planning a war before.

And who do you think those ppl are? LOL, just b/c you've never met or associated w/powerful ppl doesn't make them all that different from you. Really.

Okay, you're determined to believe your helplessness right now. Its common. Fortunately history shows that only 2% of the population is necessary to affect lasting change. Good luck w/that attitude.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 10:18 AM
Okay, you're determined to believe your helplessness. Good luck w/that attitude.

I have no control over my bloodline, if that's what you are refering to. I don't think you fully understand what I'm talking about. But it's not really important, nor pertinent for that matter. New topic please.

Gribble
07-12-07, 10:22 AM
I was refering to the people who influence the government and control the course of global events.

In other words people who have oil. Is that about right?

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 10:31 AM
Not exactly. You're thinking too "in the box." I'm talking about royal bloodlines, and the people who actually have power. Did you know Bush and Clinton are related? They're both decendants of Windsor. But I'm not even talking about them. I mean the people behind the scenes. The ones we don't see. But Lilwing is right. This thread is stupid.

anachronistic
07-12-07, 11:00 AM
Not exactly. You're thinking too "in the box." I'm talking about royal bloodlines, and the people who actually have power. Did you know Bush and Clinton are related? They're both decendants of Windsor. But I'm not even talking about them. I mean the people behind the scenes. The ones we don't see. But Lilwing is right. This thread is stupid.

Gribble isn't "thinking too in the box". You're overanalyzing things.

Kiechi
07-12-07, 11:37 AM
Or watching too much prison break. I believe he's referring to "The company".

Mish
07-12-07, 12:18 PM
Not exactly. You're thinking too "in the box." I'm talking about royal bloodlines, and the people who actually have power. Did you know Bush and Clinton are related? They're both decendants of Windsor. But I'm not even talking about them. I mean the people behind the scenes. The ones we don't see. But Lilwing is right. This thread is stupid.

But who are Bush and Clinton? Really? They are not Roylaty. They are just puppets put in power to execute the will of others. Many others. Lots and lots of others like you and me.

Just have a look at the dynamic and powers behind left and right politics:

Mainly

Left - Associations, human rights groups, unions, equality movements, universities, progressive scientists lots of others

Right - Corporations, nationalist elements, Religious movements, family movements, lots of others

The people in power execute the wishes of their supporters who write their policies, they are not the be all and end all. And who do these supporters represent? They represent the majority of the entire population. Religious people, families, workers, business men and women, scholars and so on.

It's easy to say that the power is with this or with that, but imo its an oversimplification of a rather very complex issue.

Junket
07-12-07, 12:40 PM
Not exactly. You're thinking too "in the box." I'm talking about royal bloodlines, and the people who actually have power. Did you know Bush and Clinton are related? They're both decendants of Windsor. But I'm not even talking about them. I mean the people behind the scenes. The ones we don't see. But Lilwing is right. This thread is stupid.

You sound like a white supremacist droning on about how the Jews control the media and the government, this and that, and blah blah blah.

But lets discuss this over coffee, you pick.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 01:36 PM
You sound like a white supremacist droning on about how the Jews control the media and the government, this and that, and blah blah blah.

But lets discuss this over coffee, you pick.

Oh God, is that how I sound? I just read a lot of weird stuff. It has nothing to do with Jews, or any race or religion. Just wanted to make sure everybody understands that. I just like conspiracy theories, (9-11, moon landing, etc.) and I know that makes me sound like a retard sometimes, but I find that stuff fascinating. Don't take me too seriously. ;)

misombra
07-12-07, 02:14 PM
This thread is stupid.

what? this thread is awesome!!!!

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 02:27 PM
I just like conspiracy theories, (9-11, moon landing, etc.) and I know that makes me sound like a retard sometimes, but I find that stuff fascinating. Don't take me too seriously. ;)

Hell, you're not one of those ppl who thinks the lunar landing never happened, are you?

We went to the moon. And jet fuel CAN burn hot enough to cause steel beams to weaken enough to collapse.

misombra
07-12-07, 02:35 PM
i've always wondered why it is that people make up things and concern themselves with them, but then people ignore things that are real.

we really are like that book you mentioned, damn i forgot what it was...

anyway, i do believe that is being played out. we are kept placated and separated, and there is very little room for revolutionaries.

most people in the u.s. are operating on mind control. they watch too much tv and read too many magazines in an attempt to distract us from the real problems and how we may be able to solve them.

it's really sad. it's like most people are zombies.

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 02:46 PM
it's like most people are zombies.

It's the flouride in the water. They tell us it's to reduce cavities. Bullshit. Flouride is a mind-altering chemical. It was first introduced into drinking water in Nazi concentration camps to keep the people inside from thinking too much and revolting. I doubt that Hitler was concerned about the Jews' dental hygeine.

See, there I go again! :P

IndiReloaded
07-12-07, 02:58 PM
It's the flouride in the water. They tell us it's to reduce cavities. Bullshit. Flouride is a mind-altering chemical. It was first introduced into drinking water in Nazi concentration camps to keep the people inside from thinking too much and revolting. I doubt that Hitler was concerned about the Jews' dental hygeine.

See, there I go again! :P

Haha, well that explains why our house is full of free thinkers. See, I filter everything out of our drinking water at my house. No fluoride except for the toothpaste.

So, if that's true, and you know it, you're not drinking fluoridated water, right? So what's your excuse for apathy again?

EmoBlackBelt
07-12-07, 03:03 PM
I drank it all through childhood. Not to mention other mind-numbing drugs. (prescription of course)

But really, I have no excuse. I've given up hope on changing the world. Right now, I just want to find my soulmate and live happily ever after. That's all that really matters to me. :D

misombra
07-12-07, 11:14 PM
eh, the whole "do something about it" thing is easier said than done with our current national problems.

it's easy to sit up in canada and look down and say we should do something different.

just like it's easy for us to look at mexico and say, "why don't some of those people rise up against their government?"

it makes people feel a lot more defeated to hear it too. i can tell you that much more than 2 percent of the population didn't vote for george bush. during the elections people were all over the place with their flyers. everyday i saw some flyer on my car, "help get bush out of office!" even the seriously conservative people i know don't care for bush. did that stop him?

misombra
08-12-07, 03:54 AM
also, my way of "doing something about it" is something that you wouldn't find very pleasant.

my idea would be to snipe out cops one by one and make them more afraid of us than we are of them.

Kiechi
08-12-07, 04:00 AM
Put all the blame on meeeeeeee

IndiReloaded
08-12-07, 05:20 AM
also, my way of "doing something about it" is something that you wouldn't find very pleasant.

my idea would be to snipe out cops one by one and make them more afraid of us than we are of them.

That's not an idea. That's a lashing out. Anarchy is fine, provided you have something to replace the outsed system with. Sniping out cops w/o putting something in their place is just like what the US is doing w/Iraq. Violence can be effective provided it happens w/purpose.

(and yes, I know you;re kidding) ;-P

misombra
08-12-07, 06:12 AM
the purpose is there: to make them more afraid of us than we are of them.

this is the number one problem we have in this country. we're afraid of our government when the government should be afraid of us.

Mish
08-12-07, 06:24 AM
The fixing of fear of Government is violence and making everyone more afraid.

More fear and chaos will certainly fix everything and put everything in its right place.

vashti
08-12-07, 07:23 AM
More fear and chaos will certainly fix everything and put everything in its right place.

You can't be serious.

IndiReloaded
08-12-07, 08:59 AM
You can't be serious.

I was going to say Mish was just being facetious, but I don't think so. That was full blown sarcasm.

anachronistic
08-12-07, 09:02 AM
The fixing of fear of Government is violence and making everyone more afraid.

More fear and chaos will certainly fix everything and put everything in its right place.

Actually, he does have a point. Think about it.

IndiReloaded
08-12-07, 09:09 AM
the purpose is there: to make them more afraid of us than we are of them.

They should be more worried about losing their jobs if they are abusing their position.

The police training seems really dodgy these days. Something wrong w/the ppl who are going into the field; never used to be this way as I recall, the standards seemed so much higher. Did you guys hear about the fellow who was Tasered at the Vancouver airport by our much-lauded RCMP? The poor man died of heart damage...he staggered around the airport for hours & noone helped him. :mad:

misombra
08-12-07, 09:45 AM
disgusting. i'd bet money that that cop keeps his job.

Mish
08-12-07, 01:43 PM
I was going to say Mish was just being facetious, but I don't think so. That was full blown sarcasm.

lol

I can't believe you're the only one who picked it up :D

IndiReloaded
09-12-07, 07:52 AM
disgusting. i'd bet money that that cop keeps his job.

Hmm, well some fellow managed to get the interogation on vid thru the glass at the airport! The police kept claiming there were only 3 officers involved, but there are clearly 4 uniformed officers in the vid.

The RCMP took the video, saying they would return it the next day, then reneged. The fellow had to hire a lawyer to get them to give it back. Now its been released. The police are not handling this at all professionally. Tasers are a new weapon for them & mistakes were bound to happen. They should've just owned up to it & explained the steps they are doing to improve things. Very disappointing & bad for their image, esp since I know two officers personally (not involved in the incident, tho).