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Junket
29-07-08, 06:05 AM
So I checked out the local Union here in New Orleans.

If I had no experience and were to start at the very bottom, I'd be startin' at 10.55 per hour.

I'm already makin' 12, and am due to make 14 by the end of next month for 6 months of work.

I'm a bit torn, because while I was told my time and pay with this non-Union shop can count as credit for me, the idea of having to wait a year for a pay increase discourages me. They did say that they negotiate something with me if it's a drastic pay deduction. I don't like the idea of being held back in terms of pay, or in terms of what they will or won't let me do on the job site. I also don't like the idea of being hazed or treated like some bitch just because.

On the flip side, I'd like to learn more about the theory side of electrical work, so the classes would be great, and I'm feeling like the full benefits would outweigh the pay deduction. After all, breakin' an ankle after fallin' off a ladder would easily clean out at least 1/3 of my savings. Maybe half... Not only that, but when I move to a different city, I should be able to get in with their locals. Right?

I'm torn. But in the mean time, I'm waiting for my transcripts to come through, so I have some time to think.

Thoughts?

anachronistic
29-07-08, 10:28 AM
I'm not sure what to tell you... but you should consider studying electricity. That sounds like a good idea.

shh!
29-07-08, 11:40 AM
Aside from pay, what benefits will you get by joining the union? Health insurance? Pensions?

Junket
30-07-08, 10:07 AM
Aside from pay, what benefits will you get by joining the union? Health insurance? Pensions?

Yep, all of that.

shh!
30-07-08, 10:10 AM
That stuff is valuable.

Aegis
30-07-08, 10:13 AM
Yeah, health insurance is no joke...was awhile I didn't have health insurance...do you know how fun skiing is with out it? It's not. At all. I still did, but I skied like a freakin' grandma.

I don't have many of the facts, but it's probably a worthwhile investment.

shh!
30-07-08, 10:17 AM
I can't imagine doing this kind of work with no insurance. It's really awful anyone would hire you without providing it.

anachronistic
30-07-08, 10:20 AM
No kidding. Any hard manual labor you should be seeking out health insurance.

Junket
30-07-08, 10:22 AM
Aw, man.

I didn't even tell you guys about how I was installing an outside light fixture, in the middle of a thunderstorm, on a ladder, leaning against metal siding.

Or how I was 10 feet up on that ladder...on a 15 foot landing, 2 feet from the edge...when my co-worker slipped and knocked my ladder 1 foot closer to said, edge.

Yep, I almost fell 25 feet today.

And it wouldn't have been surprising had I actually gotten struck by lightning.

WOOOOOOO!

shh!
30-07-08, 10:24 AM
Get the insurance. It sounds like you are gonna need it.

DoesntMatter
30-07-08, 10:18 PM
I hate unions. Just throwing that out there

Aegis
30-07-08, 10:54 PM
Unions suck if you don't need anything from them, and they're great if they can furnish you with things that benefit you. Keyword being "you" or the individual to which the statement is applied.

Gribble
30-07-08, 11:03 PM
Dude. You cannot afford not to have the insurance. It is wroth many, many times more than a couple of bucks an hour.

shh!
30-07-08, 11:25 PM
I hate unions. Just throwing that out there

I do, too, but what choice does someone have when their employers are exploiting them?

Junket
31-07-08, 05:27 AM
I understand people's dislike of the Union, however, so long as Unions stay small, and people have the right to choose to join or not to join, it really brings some balance to society.

Socialism on a small scale, really isn't that bad.

1averagejoe
31-07-08, 12:28 PM
I worked at a grocery store last summer...I HAD to join a union or else I would have been fired within 30 days of being hired. It sucked, I was paying into something I had absolutely no use for.

anachronistic
31-07-08, 04:25 PM
Do you have to pay to be in a union or something?

My state has very loose, unregulated laws; we can own guns and other weaponry, learn to drive at the age of 14, employers cannot make you join a union, and minimum wage is $5.50.

Then again I freelance, and I basically write my own rules.

So do you have to pay or what?

Aegis
31-07-08, 07:04 PM
Yeah, to join (reap any benefits) you have to pay the beast.

Junket
01-08-08, 05:07 AM
'Course you have to pay dues. I don't know how that works yet, or how much it is, but a Union is basically a mini-form of socialism. It's obvious why socialism would fail horribly on a large scale.

I'm all for the Union to be honest. But I would vote for any economically conservative official. There needs to be a balance.

1averagejoe
01-08-08, 12:13 PM
I was forced to join something I had no use for and had to pay into it even though I got nothing out of it.

The union is retarded if they force you to join. Why the hell would a 17 year old bagging groceries in a grocery store only for the summer have to pay into something that isn't going to benefit them at all? They should at least have an option for those staying with the company temporarily where they don't have to join. They're just money stealing assholes. Plus the people that worked their were very rude and unhelpful.

I'm against unions.