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Killerbabe
08-06-04, 03:13 AM
Okay, I've noticed a lot of users and posts getting banned for certain reasons like verbal abuse, mild violence, or just offending someone. Now don't get me wrong, but I feel that this forum is way too refined. Users are being banned all the time just because they insult someone using "bad words". But this is a forum, and there's such thing as freedom of speech - everybody speaks their mind. From what I've seen lately this forum seems to be more of a hippie forum for vulnerable innocent children under 18 (or over) who can't take the challenge to answer back in a civil (or not so civil) way using powerful arguments to prevent further abuse from new users, but simply prefer to ban the user.

Honestly, this is not a Disney forum is it?

PandaCivic
08-06-04, 05:46 AM
it's more of a "respect is given, when received" kind of forum. you don't come here to get anything negative, it's like an advice and chat forum. it's not like some forums where you brag about how big your salary is or how awesome of a computer you bought, like some forums i've been to which will remain nameless because they are all arrogant and think they are better than others. this forum is one of the best i've been to.

Killerbabe
08-06-04, 10:02 AM
I've been around when this forum barely even existed and I don't need explanations on what this forum is like, PandaCivic. I've seen it evolve from almost nothing to THIS which needless to say is a great improvement. Read my post again and try to see my point.

squirrley
08-06-04, 10:13 AM
Killa over the last 6 months 3 people have been banned from the forum that I am aware of-and rightfully so-you havent been around much and have missed WHAT has been said-YES this is a freedom of speech forum-and no one has deleted or edited anyones posts other than from spam or advertising. As far banning those 3-they were NOT people who exercising their freedom of speech they were abusive. This is the kind of behavior which shouldnt be allowed-and as far as I what I have been told sinnce becoming a Mod-those are the people who get banned.

This isnt a Disney World Forum-my gosh if anything it should be rated R most of the time. And slowly this forum is growing with more 20-30 years olds. Its awesome. So Im wondering where youre thinking everyones getting banned? Those posts were totally unnecessary-and it wasnt JUST name calling or use of bad words-it was beyond that-and if this forum ALLOWED that kind of behavior Im sure a lot of people wouldnt stick around...

Zekk_T_Strife
08-06-04, 12:02 PM
Language isn't the requisite, it's a matter of disrupting a community meant to help people. There are people who come in and have controversial viewpoints, use foul language and may offend some people, but it's when they disrupt the process of friendly debate and helpful communication that they don't deserve to be here. This forum is a privelage not a right.

sfalexi
08-06-04, 09:34 PM
If someone gets offended, they should just not reply to the other person. Just ignore it. But where I would WANT someone banned is blatant racism, generalizing and forming very wrong and ignorant stereotypes (like when that 15 year old girl kept talking about us '****ed up' americans and how '****ed up' the american culture was or whatever). If it's a personal insult, then just ignore them. Or fight back. But when you take it to another level and include a certain race or gender or nationality or whatever, that I would consider wrong and worthy of a banning.

Alexi

Illusional
09-06-04, 03:23 AM
i think that i'll have to side with killer on this one. i remember when we would check this forum on a weekly basis only to see that there is one new reply. however i believe in the freedom on speach and people can say what is on their mind. i might or might not agree with it, but this forum is a place where you can escape the hardtimes of daily life and vent if you want to. you can offend me in the process, but it's still in expression of what's on your mind. me and killer have had our differences in the past, yet both of us are still here. like pekunta, whatever his name is. i would've loved to see him reply to some more posts because whether it's negative or not, he still brought action to the forums. raverboy

Zekk_T_Strife
09-06-04, 03:50 AM
This isn't about censoring anyones freedom of speech. This is about disrupting the flow of our forum. If someone were to come in and disrupt the entire flow of the site then they need to be removed, that's what we've done. Regardless of rights of speech this is still a private site, privately owned and operated by admin and anyone going blatantly against his wishes have no right to be a part of our community.

jslaughter
09-06-04, 04:20 AM
I'm new but just want to say in all of my reading I've only seen one message removed by the moderator and one person that was banned. In this forum we discuss some subjects that are very sensitive and I, for one, know I would not be able to open up if I thought someone was waiting to call me names or criticize the way I live.

I am here for the advise, the moral support, and the positive energy of our members not for drama and foolishness!

m0by
09-06-04, 04:27 AM
Well said, J.

PandaCivic
09-06-04, 04:53 AM
i see your point. but i wasn't explaining or clarifying anything. all i'm saying is that the people that get banned are basically getting banned by mods, which are the only people that have that power. if one mod sees something that deserves a ban, they'll do so. it's all opinionated. it's not like they're righteous in general but more like they will ban a user just because they feel like it due to their own decisions.

squirrley
09-06-04, 05:03 AM
Panda-Killer is a mod too! She hasnt been around lately-shes moved out west and in college-besides the fact has an awesome man. But I do see her point-but as Mod myself I dont abuse the power here and neither do the other mods...use at our discretion as to what we want to do-like Zekk said its privately owned and we follow what he wants. Its an Honor to be a Mod-and I would never over step my bounds. I have found things offensive here...but it happens rarely-People are able to speak their minds in here...its when it becomes disruptive.

sfalexi
09-06-04, 05:04 AM
In this forum we discuss some subjects that are very sensitive and I, for one, know I would not be able to open up if I thought someone was waiting to call me names or criticize the way I live.Yet you also have to realize that this forum is anonymous. And that you also have the right to ignore such critizising statements. They say it often BECAUSE it's not to your face. Very few people would say bad things right to another's face.

But, in the event that someone DOES critizise your lifestyle or choices, if you don't want to respond, you don't have to. Simply ignore all their remarks and wait for someone else to respond.

ALSO, if others think that you were in the right and the remarks made were uncalled for, someone will almost ALWAYS jump in to defend you. So there's support there regardless of what happens (if we think you're in the right.) And if we ALL (or most) disagree with you or your lifestyle, at the very least, we may help you to think about things from another angle that may either dissuade you to live a certain way and help you to realize that this isn't what you want, or further solidify your ways and show you that, despite all these other things, this is TRULY what you want to do and now you can get rid of any doubts.

So I am for speaking up whenever/whatever. And if you don't like what WE have to say about it, either fight back, or ignore it and continue speaking your mind. Maybe you'll eventuially help US to think about something from another angle and realize that you are right. Who knows?

Alexi

Killerbabe
09-06-04, 05:21 AM
Thanks squirrley ;)

I didn't post this forum to hurt anyone's feelings or stir up some real action, it was just something I've been thinking about lately. If I really would've considered it a serious issue I would've put it in the Staff Room. It's interesting to know what others think once in a while.

And like Alexi pointed out, the internet in general is pretty anonymous, even if you post pictures of your prom and your entire family (shout out to Kawaiiskye!) Personally I couldn't care less if someone starts insulting me - just to pluck a random example out of the air - MVPlaya for example.

From what I've observed in forums and chats some people come on as complete ****-ups and assholes and then suddenly turn into genuinely good people. You never know...

I've been bombarded with insults by one guy over a year ago in ICQ but I never sent him to ignore list, I was just curious. Later on we actually became internet friends, if you may call it that, and even talked on the phone. He is one of my confidantes, even though we've never seen each other. It's kinda cool that way. Oh, and he's married and has a 12-year old daughter and tells me all about his affairs and we have great philosophical conversations once in a while.

sfalexi
09-06-04, 05:32 AM
Personally I couldn't care less if someone starts insulting me - just to pluck a random example out of the air - MVPlaya for example. Wow. The complete randomness of that name being plucked out astounded me. I NEVER would have guess THAT name to be picked (randomly or not). Because I DON'T remember any quarreling with THAT person . . . . ;)

squirrley
09-06-04, 05:36 AM
ROFL!!! Yea those two have the love/hate relationship going on!!! :goofy:

MVPlaya
09-06-04, 11:25 PM
Okay, thats it! If you people don't start shutting up right now, you're ALL going to get banned!

PandaCivic
09-06-04, 11:35 PM
haha! i meant that on some other forums the mods are bitches like that. in HERE the mods do their job and make it interesting here.

jane
10-06-04, 07:55 AM
Although I agree with Zekk about the distruption that people can have with the forum.. I see Killa view... this is a EOF... right? (Equal Opportunity Forum) .. we are here to help people and as mods its our responisability to keep .."order" not sensor..

Everyone has a right to their opinion.. noone is perfect by anymeans.. some may just have a better time being more vocal with foul langauge. I must say that there have been people we have banned in the past that have not just used foul language .. they were not respectful of others in the forum at all. Thats where I would draw the line.

loveadmin
10-06-04, 11:56 PM
We can put up several warnings before banning the user.

I will be setting up a new sub-forum that the moderators will put up notice to warn any user that break any forum rules.

After three warnings, the user will be banned temporarily from the forum. Subsequent offence will have the user ban from the forum permanently.

Innova
11-06-04, 12:35 AM
Well I agree with Killa, this forum is for helping, venting, etc. However the people that come here with only one thing in mind, (example being Diesal) "spam and hatred", then no warnings except one and only one should be given. But as I've said in the mod forums, Loveadmin has come up with a great system that I think will work well with everyone.

PandaCivic
11-06-04, 12:42 AM
is this issue as big as it sounds?

Killerbabe
11-06-04, 12:52 AM
Okay, thats it! If you people don't start shutting up right now, you're ALL going to get banned!

*cracks up* You see? Don't ban users, riots and disputes and major fights are fun! Decadence and debauchery! :cool:

Illusional
11-06-04, 02:31 AM
i believe that this forum might be privately owned, but it's like a library. it's free to the public. you can practically say anything you want in a library as long as you remain within the levels. sure, there are children yelling and couples do have their quarrels, but basically they rarely kick you out unless you're causing too much of a disruption. i feel that the prupose of the forums is getting help and what not, but there is also general discussion where people can vent and have opposiving view points. this is where the arguments start, however, it's the freedom of speech. people can call me anything they want because i take insults lightly, and as killer was saying, we can't really judge people by how they vent or how they respond to certain threads because it is only one aspect of their personality.

about banning users.. i'm not sure whether their ip address gets banned or is it just their sn?? suggestions anyone? raverboy

MVPlaya
11-06-04, 05:04 AM
Libraries are publicly owned, sweetheart.

jane
11-06-04, 07:22 AM
MVP 1
Killa 0

Where have you been man? Nice to see you back MVP..

But I just wanna say one thing... Isnt it funny that when there are only a few people involved.. rules are not really needed.. but a get a huge group.. and BAM.. rules are neccessary, ... wow.. Social Studies was right.. A government is always needed.

Illusional
11-06-04, 12:02 PM
yeah i know, that's why point. they allow practically everyone inside, yet there are few rules and limitations. you can pretty much get away with anyone as long as you don't disturb the people around you. but it is how people will take react to your actions. like me, i'm hardly ever offended so i could care less what people do. then there is the other extreme. raverboy

MVPlaya
13-06-04, 11:01 AM
But I just wanna say one thing... Isnt it funny that when there are only a few people involved.. rules are not really needed.. but a get a huge group.. and BAM.. rules are neccessary, ... wow.. Social Studies was right.. A government is always needed.

I resent that notion. I think government should be outlawed. The more, the merrier. Twelvesomes rock (provided 11 are female).

jane
13-06-04, 11:03 AM
ROFL.. Ah yes... fair Romeo speaks... lol

Killerbabe
15-06-04, 03:06 AM
MVP 1
Killa 0

Where have you been man? Nice to see you back MVP..

*Flashes a deprecating smile*

Always on the man's side. You just can't withstand the tempting presence of a penis in a discussion?