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Mard
07-08-10, 11:49 AM
what do you girls think of uncut cocks? i heard uncut cocks can be unclean and have a weird smell, how do you girls suck it then????

qwertz
08-08-10, 06:26 AM
This subject has been done to death on here.

But its only unclean if he doesnt clean it! I prefer uncut.

kitkitkitty
08-08-10, 06:28 AM
only a problem if he's a dirtay dirtay guy and doesnt wash.

doppelgaenger
08-08-10, 06:52 AM
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? If it's dirty, just cut it off.

lahnnabell
08-08-10, 07:06 AM
Boys have to be taught how to properly wash their uncircumcised penises.

erik
08-08-10, 11:26 AM
^^Its not hard to do, you pull back and wash, any man who can't handle that is......

@Mard, this is something I worried about in grade 6 dude, being uncircumsized or circumsized means absolutely nothing, the whole procedure seems rather pointless to me and women don't care

vashti
08-08-10, 11:32 AM
I prefer cut.

lilly1185
08-08-10, 11:40 AM
A penis is a penis as long as it's clean.

I love this topic, as I can say things like SMEGMA.
Look up "Foreskin" on Wikipedia for imagery. It will forever cum to the forefront of your mind, and erect laughable images forever.

Junket
08-08-10, 11:51 AM
what do you girls think of uncut cocks? i heard uncut cocks can be unclean and have a weird smell, how do you girls suck it then????

Vaginas rest inside the woman's body, and you want to talk about "unclean"?

lahnnabell
08-08-10, 04:21 PM
Lucky for us the vagina is a self-cleaning organ.

xxazurexx
08-08-10, 05:45 PM
^Yeah, I bet they didn't know this.

Can't say I've ever been with a guy who had a smelly one and I've been with both. Both did the same job and both felt the same.

Harder to give a handjob to an uncircumcised one though and because there is no skin to pull back.

lahnnabell
08-08-10, 10:51 PM
^Yeah, I bet they didn't know this.

Can't say I've ever been with a guy who had a smelly one and I've been with both. Both did the same job and both felt the same.

Harder to give a handjob to an uncircumcised one though and because there is no skin to pull back.

This is why saliva or lube is important.

Junket
08-08-10, 10:56 PM
^Yeah, I bet they didn't know this.

Can't say I've ever been with a guy who had a smelly one and I've been with both. Both did the same job and both felt the same.

Harder to give a handjob to an uncircumcised one though and because there is no skin to pull back.

Who's they?

Since you're being argumentative, lets be clear, are you suggesting that women shouldn't bother to shower before their men start rubbing their face between your legs?

the_robot
08-08-10, 10:56 PM
This is why saliva or lube is important.

Oh, so that's why lube is so famous in the US!

vashti
08-08-10, 11:02 PM
i have a weird question for you uncut guys....

When you masturbate, then, you aren't actually sliding your hand up and down the length of your penis, but rather, hanging on to skin that is sliding along the length of your penis? Is that right?

lol

the_robot
08-08-10, 11:10 PM
i have a weird question for you uncut guys....

When you masturbate, then, you aren't actually sliding your hand up and down the length of your penis, but rather, hanging on to skin that is sliding along the length of your penis? Is that right?

lol

Right. (1010 chars)

xxazurexx
09-08-10, 12:46 AM
Oh, so that's why lube is so famous in the US!

So is Spain like the UK then and the majority of men are uncut? They tend to be only cut here and if it's for religious reasons.

the_robot
09-08-10, 12:51 AM
Well, I've not seen any penises other than mine, so I can't tell for sure, but I've only heard of one circumcision, so I assume most guys here are uncut.

lahnnabell
09-08-10, 09:53 AM
Who's they?

Since you're being argumentative, lets be clear, are you suggesting that women shouldn't bother to shower before their men start rubbing their face between your legs?

That's not what I'm saying. The vagina itself is internal and self-cleaning. The vulva needs to be cleaned manually though. All that is needed is clean water too because soap tends to irritate and will cause a burning or stinging sensation that totally sucks. It can also upset the natural balance.

nerdy_guy
09-08-10, 10:40 AM
what do you girls think of uncut cocks? i heard uncut cocks can be unclean and have a weird smell, how do you girls suck it then????

Yeah, they should be sliced and diced to bite sized pieces. A few bowls of water, chopped chili, and the right spices. and it makes for a great for soup.

Mish
09-08-10, 10:44 AM
I don't approve of circumscision of children (or of any other genital mutulation)

Junket
09-08-10, 10:57 AM
That's not what I'm saying. The vagina itself is internal and self-cleaning. The vulva needs to be cleaned manually though. All that is needed is clean water too because soap tends to irritate and will cause a burning or stinging sensation that totally sucks. It can also upset the natural balance.

So what you're saying is, that like an uncut penis, there is maintenance required to keep it in ideal condition?

lahnnabell
09-08-10, 11:29 AM
So what you're saying is, that like an uncut penis, there is maintenance required to keep it in ideal condition?

Oh jeez. Yes. I was being facetious with my first post, dude.

Mard
10-08-10, 07:55 AM
I hoped some girls would say that they love to suck unclean uncut cocks and love to clean the dirty cock with their tongue and eat and slurp the dirt and smelly cheese.

Mish
10-08-10, 08:16 AM
Mard, you dirty arab you

Junket
10-08-10, 08:43 AM
Is this Iamdeath?

Somebody ban this idiot, he's an obsessed pervert.

Hopelessxlover
01-09-10, 03:52 PM
uncut = yum

shammi
02-09-10, 10:58 AM
^ i guess you eat the cheese

the_robot
02-09-10, 02:38 PM
^ i guess you eat the cheese

Cheese? (10chars)

doppelgaenger
02-09-10, 04:11 PM
Wow, how smegmatic.

kitkitkitty
02-09-10, 04:19 PM
I hoped some girls would say that they love to suck unclean uncut cocks and love to clean the dirty cock with their tongue and eat and slurp the dirt and smelly cheese.
you're actually gross. is this why you have to go online to ask girls rather than approach the real thing?

doppelgaenger
02-09-10, 04:19 PM
For those of you who are circumcised, who would like to 'uncircumcise' themselves, I'd just like to let you know, there is a natural 100% effective way to do so. It's called foreskin restoration. There are a number of methods of doing so. It's an all natural, nonsurgical procedure that takes about a year or two, sometimes three years in order to complete. Look it up and do some reading. This is something I am currently doing and I am please with the results so far. PM me if you have any personal questions.

the_robot
02-09-10, 04:30 PM
^^ Why would anyone want to get circumcised unless there's some medical condition involved?

lahnnabell
02-09-10, 05:20 PM
^^ Why would anyone want to get circumcised unless there's some medical condition involved?

Societal standards are now adding pressure. It is said that a circumcised penis looks cleaner and more "neat", but it certainly doesn't mean that it IS cleaner. When I was younger, I remember seeing circumcised men in movies and porn. In fact, for a while I thought that it was the natural look of a penis until I learned otherwise.

the_robot
02-09-10, 08:26 PM
Societal standards are now adding pressure.

The USA is a creepy place. We don't have those standards lol.

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 02:16 AM
^^ Why would anyone want to get circumcised unless there's some medical condition involved?

I did not want to get circumcised - I was circumcised against my will. I didn't even know I was circumcised until I was a teenager - I found out in high school in a religious discussion and out of curiosity I Googled about it and discovered what happened, with shock and awe. I once asked my mother about it and she did it because the goddamn bible says so. One reason why I am now a christian anymore lol. Luckily for guys like me, there is a natural way to regain most of what's lost.


Societal standards are now adding pressure. It is said that a circumcised penis looks cleaner and more "neat", but it certainly doesn't mean that it IS cleaner. When I was younger, I remember seeing circumcised men in movies and porn. In fact, for a while I thought that it was the natural look of a penis until I learned otherwise.

Yeah, that's the biggest load of shit excuse. I think I saw a TV program where they were asking women what they thought about it and someone did say a circumcised penis looks 'nicer'. If that's the case, I don't give a **** what {American} women think. If chivalry has amounted to men having their genitals mutilated against their will as children in order to appeal to a woman's abhorrent aesthetic tastes, they shouldn't have any right in deciding whether their own boys are circumcised. It is so illogical, there is no way anyone can justify circumcision for traditional, aesthetic, or hygienic purposes and anyone who tries to argue for circumcision is simply an idiot.

You can call me gay, but I've looked at a quite a few pictures of circumcised penises and uncircumcised penises to compare them, and I would definitely say uncircumcised looks better - The glans is not keratinized or chaffed, there is no scarring, the uncircumcised penis does not bend or look 'tight' when erect, etc.


The USA is a creepy place. We don't have those standards lol.

I concur. I don't like the USA in general. In fact, I don't even look like an American. Even just the other day, someone asked if I am from another country, lol.

girl68
03-09-10, 02:48 AM
I'm totally not a fan of the uncut dick. To me the comparison is a woman: with a huge, untrimmed, wild bush.... and a nice clean trimmed neat little patch.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 02:48 AM
I did not want to get circumcised - I was circumcised against my will. I didn't even know I was circumcised until I was a teenager - I found out in high school in a religious discussion and out of curiosity I Googled about it and discovered what happened, with shock and awe. I once asked my mother about it and she did it because the goddamn bible says so. One reason why I am now a christian anymore lol. Luckily for guys like me, there is a natural way to regain most of what's lost.



Yeah, that's the biggest load of shit excuse. I think I saw a TV program where they were asking women what they thought about it and someone did say a circumcised penis looks 'nicer'. If that's the case, I don't give a **** what {American} women think. If chivalry has amounted to men having their genitals mutilated against their will as children in order to appeal to a woman's abhorrent aesthetic tastes, they shouldn't have any right in deciding whether their own boys are circumcised. It is so illogical, there is no way anyone can justify circumcision for traditional, aesthetic, or hygienic purposes and anyone who tries to argue for circumcision is simply an idiot.

You can call me gay, but I've looked at a quite a few pictures of circumcised penises and uncircumcised penises to compare them, and I would definitely say uncircumcised looks better - The glans is not keratinized or chaffed, there is no scarring, the uncircumcised penis does not bend or look 'tight' when erect, etc.



I concur. I don't like the USA in general. In fact, I don't even look like an American. Even just the other day, someone asked if I am from another country, lol.

Please, oh please, not this thread again.

I'm not saying it's an excuse, dude, but it certainly is the way our collective society thinks based on what has become the relative norm. Do you need help removing those panties from your ass now?

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 02:48 AM
I'm totally not a fan of the uncut dick. To me the comparison is a woman: with a huge, untrimmed, wild bush.... and a nice clean trimmed neat little patch.

doppel is totally gonna flame this response. I do have to say, trimming one's hair is not the equivalent of having a piece of your body deemed "ugly" or "unacceptable" and thus removed from you forever.

girl68
03-09-10, 02:52 AM
I do have to say, trimming one's hair is not the equivalent of having a piece of your body deemed "ugly" or "unacceptable" and thus removed from you forever.

Sure fine that's just your opinion, I said to me the comparison is just the same uncut dick is just as unappealing to me as a huge wild hariy bush. IMO- their both kinda gross.

BTW it almost is comparable... take a look at all the laser hair removal a lot of it IS in the neather regions, I myself have considered this and will do it someday when I can afford to. (Ie pubes all or in part are deemed "ugly and unacceptable and thus removed from your body forever")

the_robot
03-09-10, 02:54 AM
I'm totally not a fan of the uncut dick. To me the comparison is a woman: with a huge, untrimmed, wild bush.... and a nice clean trimmed neat little patch.

It's not the same at all... :-/

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 02:56 AM
Sure fine that's just your opinion, I said to me the comparison is just the same uncut dick is just as unappealing to me as a huge wild hariy bush. IMO- their both kinda gross.

Put that way, I can concede to agree. Based on what I've been fed as a young girl and through my youth, a cut dick looks nicer and cleaner, yes.

doppel, this in no way means I support forcibly circumcising young men before they are ready to consent. It just means what I said, "I think a circumcised penis looks nicer." I imagine it feels nicer in my mouth too, but I don't have any experience sucking on uncut dicks. So, that part is void.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 02:57 AM
Put that way, I can concede to agree. Based on what I've been fed as a young girl and through my youth, a cut dick looks nicer and cleaner, yes.

doppel, this in no way means I support forcibly circumcising young men before they are ready to consent. It just means what I said, "I think a circumcised penis looks nicer." I imagine it feels nicer in my mouth too, but I don't have any experience sucking on uncut dicks. So, that part is void.

OMG. I just totally did the inadvertent sexual innuendo thing again. I would edit my original statement because it sounds creepy, but it's hilarious too. Something is wrong with me :)

girl68
03-09-10, 04:08 AM
I'm against forcefully getting it cut, however if I have a son- he will be at birth.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 04:21 AM
I'm against forcefully getting it cut, however if I have a son- he will be at birth.

That's what I mean though. Some are against having it cut at birth because the child cannot provide consent. doppel's concern is that people are doing this for very wrong reasons. The fact that a penis looks ugly when uncut is only magnified by what we've been told through our youth. As I said, I never knew what an uncut penis looked like. I was never shown pictures or even educated about it until much later in my life despite the fact that I attended sex ed classes through middle and high school. I imagine that had I been shown and educated about it earlier, I wouldn't necessarily care so much if my boyfriend were cut or uncut.

girl68
03-09-10, 04:32 AM
Doppel could have a good argument. But I'm still all for the cut. Neither me nor his father are against the cut dicks so I guess if our son is we'll have to deal with it then. That said the choice was made with the fact it could bite us in the ass later when of course we will refer him to read all about the 3 year process to go from cut to uncut. LOL.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 04:50 AM
Doppel could have a good argument. But I'm still all for the cut. Neither me nor his father are against the cut dicks so I guess if our son is we'll have to deal with it then. That said the choice was made with the fact it could bite us in the ass later when of course we will refer him to read all about the 3 year process to go from cut to uncut. LOL.

Yeah, I'm at a loss really. My boyfriend's Jewish, so it was a no-brainer for his parents on that front. I haven't decided what I would want to do. I'll probably research it a lot more though in the years to come.

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:08 AM
I think the clitoris is ugly and a woman would look much better if it were removed.

girl68
03-09-10, 05:11 AM
hahaha ^ goodluck with that

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:11 AM
Well I think what you said is *just* as ridiculous.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 05:12 AM
I think the clitoris is ugly and a woman would look much better if it were removed.

I'm sorry, what was that? All I read was, "Blah blah, I'm doppel. Look at me be antagonistic and disagreeable. Blah". :D

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:14 AM
I'm sorry, what was that? All I read was, "Blah blah, I'm doppel. Look at me be antagonistic and disagreeable. Blah". :D

Well, you're only smiling because you already know what I would do to your clit. ;)

Presuming you have one and it is in dire need of attention.

girl68
03-09-10, 05:17 AM
Well I think what you said is *just* as ridiculous.

That's fine, you're a boy wanting an uncut cock of course you don't like when I say I don't like uncut.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 05:19 AM
Well, you're only smiling because you already know what I would do to your clit. ;)

Presuming you have one and it is in dire need of attention.

Quit humping my leg already. Sheesh. Little horn dog.

the_robot
03-09-10, 05:20 AM
Well I think what you said is *just* as ridiculous.

I think he does have a point with this.

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:21 AM
I think he does have a point with this.

No kidding, right? What if I decided my daughter was going to get breast implants at birth? I think what they are saying and thinking is just as offensive and obscene. I think that any man who was circumcised at birth (Which I would say accounts for at least 90%) would have chosen not to be, because it is usually completely unnecessary.


Quit humping my leg already. Sheesh. Little horn dog.

I'm just messing with you. It will be okay, I promise.

the_robot
03-09-10, 05:25 AM
Quit humping my leg already. Sheesh. Little horn dog.

The mental picture of dopp humping your leg made me laugh hahaha


No kidding, right? What if I decided my daughter was going to get breast implants at birth? I think what they are saying and thinking is just as offensive and obscene.

Not kidding.

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:35 AM
I'm humping other girls' legs, but thinking about Lahnna's simultaneously.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 05:36 AM
I'm just messing with you. It will be okay, I promise.

Well, keep it clean then, please.

doppelgaenger
03-09-10, 05:41 AM
Well, keep it clean then, please.

Capisco, belle.

LailaK
03-09-10, 11:49 AM
I'm disgusted by practices such as female circumcision and I can't for the life of me figure out why male circumcision is so acceptable.

I WILL say, though, as a woman who loves to give head a man must, MUST, have good hygiene. There's nothing more annoying than some jack ass standing there knowing his stuff stinks and hoping to get some. Disgusting.

LailaK
03-09-10, 02:48 PM
I'm not doubting that.

the_robot
03-09-10, 03:04 PM
because women refuse to sit their ass down on the seat while they are spraying.

To be fair, I wouldn't dare to sit on a public toilet. Just in case.

lahnnabell
03-09-10, 03:48 PM
To be fair, I wouldn't dare to sit on a public toilet. Just in case.

The respectful ones will wipe off the seat after use.

And dop, girls aren't going to broach the subject of smelly dicks with you. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's not like you can provide anything insightful about them anyway. Unless you're into dudes too.

the_robot
03-09-10, 04:45 PM
And dop, girls aren't going to broach the subject of smelly dicks with you. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's not like you can provide anything insightful about them anyway. Unless you're into dudes too.

Oh but I can! It just takes a bit of washing not to have a smelly dick... If you don't have a shower every so often you will smell too, same thing applies to certain parts of the body.

lahnnabell
04-09-10, 03:14 AM
Don't worry, the last thing I wanna do is talk about smelly dicks. I have never read a post on here about that, though. It's always about fishy vaginas, I swear.

I bet there are figures somewhere showing the percentage of males that are circumcised vs. uncircumcised. I bet most in the US are circumcised.

lahnnabell
04-09-10, 03:40 AM
Here are some statistics you may wanna check up on. This one is a little outdated, but if you care enough to really find out, feel free to do your own research:
U.S. Circumcision Statistics (http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/)

Rates of circumcision at birth have been rapidly declining for the last two decades, because of the awareness of how truly abhorrent it is. I would estimate that the majority of newborn boys born in the USA this year who were circumcised is less than 35%. You would probably find that roughly 60% of men born in the USA in the 80s (our generation) are cut. If you took each age group into consideration, along with the percentage of circumcised men, all by the decade, and totaled everything out, sure, you'd likely find that more than half are cut. But this is irrelevant. It's like saying that because there are a lot of people who smoke, it's healthy and okay to smoke. It doesn't make logical sense. You didn't specifically say that this is your way of justifying your preference for circumcised men, but I'll venture a guess that it is.

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying that the reason you don't hear about smelly dicks is due to the fact that the majority of men in the US are circumcised.

ShannonMI
04-09-10, 04:23 AM
I dated a guy who had an uncircumcised penis and it REEKED!! He apparently didn't know how to wash it. It smelled so bad. I swifty dumped him. He was a moron anyways, so it was def. no big loss. I think circumcised penises are much cleaner and better looking.

vashti
04-09-10, 08:00 AM
Sorry for the derailment, but ShannonMI - every time I see you post, I think of you as a heart attack. (MI=myocardial infarction=heart attack)

To stay on topic, it's not been my medical experience AT ALL that anywhere NEAR 33% of men "suffer" long term issues re: circumcision. Of course, I don't work in a psych ward.

shammi
04-09-10, 09:07 AM
my penis is circumsized and its looks so beautiful and clean

shammi
04-09-10, 09:09 AM
Usually muslim, jewish, and christian cut cocks are the most beautiful and cleanests, dirtiest are hindu cocks, east asian and athiest cocks

LailaK
04-09-10, 09:57 AM
Are you kidding me? I hear about smelly fish vagina all the time, but I never hear about smelly dicks, lol.
Speaking of which, have you ever been in a men's restroom? I would say they are usually much cleaner than women's restrooms. I've been in a few women's restrooms and there is always piss on the toilet seat and used toilet paper everywhere, because women refuse to sit their ass down on the seat while they are spraying. Some of the bathrooms smelled like rotting piss!

DUH. You don't go around putting them in your mouth.

I'm generally unconcerned with penises until it comes time to interact up close and personally with one. I've only seen 3 penises in real life. One American (circumsized) and two European (both uncircumsized). The only smelly one I've ever encountered was uncut and he had the nerve to cop and attitude with me when I told him he needed to clean his stuff before he put it anywhere near me. -_- Needless to say I've only slept with 2 guys in my entire life. :P

I'm not saying he smelled because he was uncircumsized, but I think he should definitely learn to clean up properly. The rest of him didn't smell so I can only guess that he just didn't know how to keep that part of him clean. I talked to a guy friend of mine who said uncircumcized guys need to take special care to pull back the foreskin and clean underneath so that foul bacteria doesn't grow there. He said that from the sound of it, this guy doesn't do that. I genuinely feel sorry for his future girlfriends.

If I'm going to be waxed, tidy and nice smelling down there, the least a guy could do is have some mother f*cking proper hygiene.

shammi
04-09-10, 10:06 AM
one thing i have to say is that penis or vagina will almost likely always smell a bit, because pee comes out of it and often drips a bit, thats one of the reason the area is always smelly, also not to mention sweat. Techinically i dont think humans are even suppose to put their mouth or suck down there. Do animals give oral?? smelling a bit bad down there is probably natural.

Sonrisa
04-09-10, 10:16 AM
Usually muslim, jewish, and christian cut cocks are the most beautiful and cleanests, dirtiest are hindu cocks, east asian and athiest cocks

you sure know your cocks. it's quite amusing that you think that muslim cocks are clean.

vashti
04-09-10, 11:31 AM
Do animals give oral?? smelling a bit bad down there is probably natural.

Animals give themselves oral. Haven't you ever seen a dog or cat licking themselves?

I bet a lot of males wish they could do that. lol

Junket
04-09-10, 12:21 PM
Animals give themselves oral. Haven't you ever seen a dog or cat licking themselves?

I bet a lot of males wish they could do that. lol

Imagine if women could do the same.

vashti
04-09-10, 12:32 PM
Imagine if women could do the same.

Eww. No way. Vaginas are ugly. :D

the_robot
04-09-10, 04:43 PM
I think circumcised penises are much cleaner and better looking.

You can't base that on a single guy experience, it's like if I said all the cars in the world are blue because I saw a blue car once.

kitkitkitty
04-09-10, 09:31 PM
haha shammi, your posts here made me laugh. i wasn't supposed to laugh, was i?

ShannonMI
05-09-10, 12:02 AM
You can't base that on a single guy experience, it's like if I said all the cars in the world are blue because I saw a blue car once.
Well I've been with one uncircumcised guy and it wasn't a pleasant experience. From MY experience I think circumcised penises are cleaner and better looking. It doesn't mean everybody else thinks that way. It's my opinion.

the_robot
05-09-10, 12:06 AM
Well I've been with one uncircumcised guy and it wasn't a pleasant experience. From MY experience I think circumcised penises are cleaner and better looking. It doesn't mean everybody else thinks that way. It's my opinion.

I'm not going to show you mine to prove you are wrong :P

the_robot
05-09-10, 12:32 AM
uncut is unhygienic

you are unhygienic.

ShannonMI
05-09-10, 01:44 AM
I'm not going to show you mine to prove you are wrong :P

Good because I wouldn't want to see it. If I never had to see another uncircumcised peen, I'd be quite alright with that!

BunnyBoop
05-09-10, 01:50 AM
Actually, female bats go down on the males to turn them on!

asdfg789
05-09-10, 02:12 AM
Actually, female bats go down on the males to turn them on!

now we know why Batman always has a smile on his face :D

Sonrisa
05-09-10, 03:27 AM
i love it when a girl says "duh." makes me feel like i'm in the 6th grade all over again. :d

dooooh..............................

LailaK
05-09-10, 03:31 AM
I love it when a girl says "duh." Makes me feel like I'm in the 6th grade all over again. :D

What are you trying to say -_-

Hopelessxlover
06-09-10, 02:16 PM
cheese? what do you mean. i guess i do. hahaa.

DesperateHope
19-09-10, 01:01 PM
I'm uncut. When I masturbate, I definitely do NOT stroke the whole penis. Just where the head connects to the shaft. And I don't pull the skin back either. I don't understand how it's possible to masturbate withOUT foreskin.. haha. I just grab it and move up and down and the skin goes with it I guess. Doesn't hurt at all before, during or after, thank god ;)

shammi
20-09-10, 01:58 AM
^ I imagine sex to be so hard with a uncut dick, do you guys even feel the sexual sensation to the whole penis??? For a cut dick the sensation is all over the the penis, it feels so good

Radarsonar
26-10-10, 08:18 PM
Hard to imagine most penises are circumcised in the US. Is there any particular reason? Coming from a culture where circumcision is only performed for medical reasons (fimosis) the procedure seems a bit silly. Especially forcing it on newborns sounds wrong to me as there is no choice involved in the process.

Incognito
26-10-10, 10:33 PM
From what I hear the ratio used to be around 90+% circumcised vs the obvious approximate 10% uncut, but those numbers have changed drastically in the last 20 years. I think its around 60/40 now. Anyway cut penises are easier to clean and therefore require less upkeep. I also wouldn't call a country's practices silly just because circumstances are different where you are. Personally I'm glad that I am cut because I'd hate to think of what kind of infection I could get from not cleaning an uncircumcised penis well enough, plus I think the whole 'ant eater' look is horrid. I can't imagine a woman wanting to suck on that.

Radarsonar
26-10-10, 10:49 PM
From what I hear the ratio used to be around 90+% circumcised vs the obvious approximate 10% uncut, but those numbers have changed drastically in the last 20 years. I think its around 60/40 now. Anyway cut penises are easier to clean and therefore require less upkeep. I also wouldn't call a country's practices silly just because circumstances are different where you are. Personally I'm glad that I am cut because I'd hate to think of what kind of infection I could get from not cleaning an uncircumcised penis well enough, plus I think the whole 'ant eater' look is horrid. I can't imagine a woman wanting to suck on that.

Yeah i guess being uncut I have to clean my cock more if I want to get blown regularly :). But on the other hand circumcision leads to keratinisation and as such diminished sensibility of the glans so I guess it's a trade-off.

I still think it's rather presumptious to have your baby's cock cut after birth. No to mention the (tiny) risk of operative failure with disproportionate consequences.

The risk of infection from the foreskin not being cleaned often enough is not really relevant anymore, at least not with the hygiene of modern society. Ant eater look, I lol'd! True, you rarely see an uncut penis in a porn movie. Then again, you rarely see natural boobs or regular sized penises either, so meh :)

Petit Papillon
26-10-10, 10:58 PM
Circumcised penises look weird IMO . It's like the guy would have erection but his cock is floppy hehehe :P
I prefer clean,uncircumcised penises. Gladly in Europe it's mostly what you get ;)

Incognito
26-10-10, 11:06 PM
^^^ Damn it and I had such high hopes if I got a divorce, lol.

I also can't help but laugh every time I see your avatar PP. I swear it looks like he picked up a poo stick and tried to eat it LOL!

Petit Papillon
26-10-10, 11:09 PM
It's chocolate ... And don't laugh at him , it's my nephew :/

But yeah it's a funny pic :P

Incognito
26-10-10, 11:12 PM
Oh I'm not trying to be disrespectful PP. I'm just in a surprisingly good mood and that was the first thought that pops into my mind when I see that picture because someone's kid DID eat some poo and had it on his face. Its been so long that I can't remember if I saw it in person or if it was a picture, but your avatar reminds me of that. He is a cute baby though, and even knowing that it is chocolate its still a funny picture.

Petit Papillon
26-10-10, 11:30 PM
Hahahahahaaha, I would probably die from laughing if I saw a baby with a poo and a smile like this on it's face hahahahahaha

Incognito
26-10-10, 11:39 PM
LMAO, my point exactly!

Petit Papillon
26-10-10, 11:48 PM
Babies are crazy :D

RdHrshyKss
28-10-10, 06:17 AM
...I think the whole 'ant eater' look is horrid. I can't imagine a woman wanting to suck on that.

i don't discriminate. a hard cock looks like a hard cock whether it's cut or uncut. just pull back the skin a bit and voilà, you have yourself an erect penis...mmmmmmm

Incognito
28-10-10, 09:09 PM
I guess I was wrong about women not wanting to suck on uncut penises.

Radarsonar
28-10-10, 09:26 PM
I guess I was wrong about women not wanting to suck on uncut penises.

If they didn't there suicide rates here in Europe would go through the roof... :)

Incognito
28-10-10, 09:32 PM
Or lesbian rates, LOL.

Petit Papillon
28-10-10, 10:23 PM
I like to play with my bf's foreskin ;P

elleda
22-05-11, 09:29 AM
uncut = delicious ;)

Pakistani
23-05-11, 01:49 AM
^ sick

Uncut ones looks so ugly, i dont know how anyone can even look at them, let alone put it in their mouths lol

JadenMia
23-05-11, 02:27 AM
I prefer uncircumsized, it just looks normal to me and the only guy in my school that was uncut got made fun of for being jewish.. lol I am from the UK. It is the norm there to be uncut and have never come across any problems due to uncleanliness or any type.

I am living in Canada now and it is a totalllly different story. I took one look at a man who was cut here and thought.. 'ewwww'. lol I am getting used to the fact now but i could definitely tell the difference during sex. I think uncut feels better.
As a mother i would never cicumsize my boy either, i am guessing this is going to be a problem i come across in the future if i ever decide to start a family with a canadian :D

Archie
23-05-11, 02:56 AM
What the smeg, people actually ask these kinds of questions? Who would want to cut a cock? Why would you do that? What has the cock ever done to you? Woken you up at 4am?

Ahem, anyway, i don`t understand why would people even let their child go through the pain and uneasyness of being cut down there? Are you psycho? GTFO.

JadenMia
23-05-11, 03:30 AM
What the smeg, people actually ask these kinds of questions? Who would want to cut a cock? Why would you do that? What has the cock ever done to you? Woken you up at 4am?

Ahem, anyway, i don`t understand why would people even let their child go through the pain and uneasyness of being cut down there? Are you psycho? GTFO.

Although i agree with you. Everyone does have their own opinions on this matter. I think it totally depends on how you are brought up. That cant be changed therefore shouldnt be looked down upon.

sadie_genie
23-05-11, 03:34 AM
All this penis talk is arousing. lol. I have only seen uncut and none of them were smelly. The foreskin is very sexy. Even if a guy is cut, he should still clean his penis before physical intimacy!

IndiReloaded
23-05-11, 03:37 AM
Uncut is like a natural ribbed condom. More pleasure for the female = orgasm = better chance of fertilization. Biology has had millions of years to work this one out...

Look:

File:Penis glans and foreskin.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Penis_glans_and_foreskin.jpg)

Junket
23-05-11, 03:58 AM
I have no choice but to be awesome with my tongue.

Rabbitt
25-05-11, 12:25 AM
I think an uncut penis looks like a santa hat.


Glad i've got a cut one :D

Boisdevie
25-05-11, 01:07 AM
I don't seem the point in deliberately mutilating part of someone for no reason. There is no health reason. There might be lots of cultural or religious reasons but that's bullshite

Archie
25-05-11, 01:24 AM
Yes! We`re against cut penises!

That would make a really interesting protest action.

vashti
25-05-11, 04:35 AM
Yes! We`re against cut penises!

That would make a really interesting protest action.

No, "we're" not. There are valid medical reasons for having a circumcision, not to mention religious ones. Both positions are valid, making this a matter of parental choice.

DoesntMatter
25-05-11, 05:51 AM
vashti loves cut cocks

bapbapbap
25-05-11, 07:18 AM
i really dislike cut,i think its freaky looking and just un-natural. uncut is just perfect!

Pakistani
25-05-11, 07:46 AM
vashti loves cut cocks

from the internet discussions i have seen that most women prefer cut ones. I would say maybe 60-70% of women

ShellyZ
25-05-11, 07:50 AM
I think it's like milk. If you grow up drinking skim milk, you'll hate the taste of 2% milk. If you're used to whole milk, you'll hate 1% milk.

If you're used to cut, you'll think uncut is weird and vice versa. Most of the people who prefer uncut are not American, it seems; since it's more common outside the US, that's what you're used to seeing. To reassure the people who are appalled at the idea of "mutilating" a baby boy, you'll never meet a circumcised man who's upset about it. He was a baby when it happened, he doesn't remember it, and it doesn't affect his life in the slightest.

the_robot
25-05-11, 07:55 AM
I think it's like milk. If you grow up drinking skim milk, you'll hate the taste of 2% milk. If you're used to whole milk, you'll hate 1% milk.

If you're used to cut, you'll think uncut is weird and vice versa. Most of the people who prefer uncut are not American, it seems; since it's more common outside the US, that's what you're used to seeing. To reassure the people who are appalled at the idea of "mutilating" a baby boy, you'll never meet a circumcised man who's upset about it. He was a baby when it happened, he doesn't remember it, and it doesn't affect his life in the slightest.

Should I remind you of Dopp? Where is he?

JadenMia
25-05-11, 08:20 AM
To reassure the people who are appalled at the idea of "mutilating" a baby boy, you'll never meet a circumcised man who's upset about it. He was a baby when it happened, he doesn't remember it, and it doesn't affect his life in the slightest.

This is not true. Sorry to be argumentative but i had to say it!
My friend HATED the fact he was cut. Hated it. I was best friends with him for a long time until i moved to a different country. He was always so embarrassed and used to rant that his parents shouldnt have messed with his body when he had no say whatsoever and couldnt defend himself as he was a baby.
When i moved we still chat on facebook. I asked if he ever got over his 'cut cock hate' and he said yes. That there was a method he looked into about stretching and 'regrowing' the skin that had been taken. And ever since sex has been amazing for him, so much more feeling than he had before.. he said it took a long time and he nearly has all his foreskin back and loves it. I dont know how true all of that is, i never saw his dick either way.. But im curious now and going to google the 'procedure' :)

Im not saying every man feels like this, as i meet men who think foreskin is disgusting!! lol But i definitely did meet someone who was upset about it.

ShellyZ
25-05-11, 08:34 AM
He was always so embarrassed and used to rant that his parents shouldnt have messed with his body

I'm guessing it was a result of his environment. If he was embarrassed about it, that probably means other people were making fun of him for it or women were reacting badly to it because uncircumcised was the norm. If he had grown up in the US (or another country where circumcision is common), it wouldn't have bothered him because he would have been just like everybody else.


And ever since sex has been amazing for him, so much more feeling than he had before

Shouldn't he be wearing a condom during sex anyway?! Tsk tsk, lol.

doppelgaenger
25-05-11, 09:02 AM
Should I remind you of Dopp? Where is he?

Right now I am crying with my limp penis in my hand asking myself why. Why?

vashti
25-05-11, 02:47 PM
vashti loves cut cocks

Cut or uncut.. both are nice, but I would seriously wonder about the mental health of anyone who complained about it one way or the other as an adult.

Pakistani
26-05-11, 11:38 AM
what do girls exactly like about penises?

ShellyZ
26-05-11, 12:08 PM
Same things you like about female body parts, probably.

lostnconfused22
26-05-11, 08:34 PM
well my bfs uncircumsized and i love it. i could play with that thing all day! the foreskin was put there for a reason.

Petit Papillon
26-05-11, 09:39 PM
Foreskinssss


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytooatunfzs

Petit Papillon
02-06-11, 04:10 AM
I just saw a video of circumcision and ****ING SHIT I would never ****ing let my child get circumsized for no money in the world, MY GOD!! I saw how the baby started to cry and almost turned his feets 360 degrees around! It didn't look like it was ****ing painless at all! I for real prefer to learn my baby to wash his penis for real!!

ShellyZ
02-06-11, 04:54 AM
Relax. He's an infant, the pain doesn't last more than a minute, and he won't remember it. People experience painful things all the time (childbirth, flu shots, having teeth pulled) and they survive without trauma. You think circumcision is bad, try watching a video of a kid getting a spinal tap. And he didn't turn his feet 360 degrees around, sheesh. Babies cry like that when they're teething too, but I'm pretty sure they're not traumatized by it.

Junket
02-06-11, 05:09 AM
Relax. He's an infant, the pain doesn't last more than a minute, and he won't remember it. People experience painful things all the time (childbirth, flu shots, having teeth pulled) and they survive without trauma. You think circumcision is bad, try watching a video of a kid getting a spinal tap. And he didn't turn his feet 360 degrees around, sheesh. Babies cry like that when they're teething too, but I'm pretty sure they're not traumatized by it.

Yeah, but why.

Petit Papillon
02-06-11, 05:09 AM
No , too much crying, too much blood and too much freaking skin being cut off! Jesus ! And people are sitting around eating ****ing chips and drinking coca cola! NOOOOOOO WAY . I will NEVER let my future son, if i have any, to be circumcised , don't care if he won't remember that, it must be ****ING painfull . It wasn't a simple cry for me, no no. Well just because a child won't remember something, would you hit such a baby with a belt , just because the bruise will go away and the baby won't remember that anyway ... Seriously, isn't it just easier to actually learn your son how to properly clean penis and do it regularly? It's like you would rip off child's teeth cause it's easier to not have to clean them and a denture is easier to maintain ? ouch.

ShellyZ
02-06-11, 05:40 AM
No , too much crying, too much blood and too much freaking skin being cut off!

Have you ever witnessed a woman giving birth? That involves a lot more screaming and blood, yet people still do it. And they don't think it's so horrible that no one should ever do it again. Really, circumcision is not a tragedy. You just can't get over it because it's not common in your country, so it seems outrageous to you.

You don't have to do it with your son, I'm just saying it's not the crisis you make it out to be. It's a surgical procedure, it's not abuse, like hitting a baby. Circumcision doesn't do any damage, unlike hitting a baby with a belt, which could cause lasting damage. Notice how they don't circumcise girls? It's because that is dangerous and it does cause lasting damage. They circumcise boys because it's safe. And boys don't need the foreskin; it serves no purpose. People need their teeth, that's why you don't pull out a child's teeth.


Yeah, but why.

For Jews, it's for religious reasons. For non-Jews, it's because it's more sanitary.

Petit Papillon
02-06-11, 05:56 AM
And boys don't need the foreskin; it serves no purpose.
.

In male human anatomy, the foreskin is a generally retractable double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pronounced /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous.

first few sentences from wiki.
It's not completely a "useless" piece of skin, as you say. And btw, giving birth is natural, circumcision not. AND in 99% of cases, people don't watch it eating snacks and talking about yesterday's weather. People actually don't watch, mostly only fathers of those kids. I wouldn't even let other people from my family to watch my vagina, eh no.

Junket
02-06-11, 06:59 AM
For Jews, it's for religious reasons. For non-Jews, it's because it's more sanitary.

More sanitary than cleaning oneself?

Are you serious?

Is that why you support female circumcision? One less thing to clean?

ShellyZ
02-06-11, 08:38 AM
It's not completely a "useless" piece of skin, as you say.

It's obviously not necessary, as men can easily get along without it. There was a time when risk of infection was greater than the desire to keep an unnecessary piece of skin. Since the procedure proved to have benefits and was perfectly safe, it continued into modern times, despite the advent of soap and running water. There was no reason to stop doing it, basically. Especially since little boys might have to learn their lesson the hard way a few times before they learn to keep it clean.


And btw, giving birth is natural, circumcision not. AND in 99% of cases, people don't watch it eating snacks and talking about yesterday's weather. People actually don't watch, mostly only fathers of those kids. I wouldn't even let other people from my family to watch my vagina, eh no.

Well, the umbilical cord is natural, but you don't propose keeping that on, do you? Sometimes there's extra skin, so you cut it off. No harm done. And tooth decay is natural, but I wouldn't advise anyone to stop the unnatural practice of brushing their teeth. A lot of painful, unnatural things (like vaccine injections and life-saving surgery) are actually good for you. So I don't buy the argument that unnatural = bad.

As for people watching and eating snacks, that only happens in the Jewish tradition because the Bris is a celebration of the baby. The circumcision is not actually the focus of the party. That's not the reason the family invites people over. It's usually a lunch or dinner party that takes most of the afternoon or evening. The circumcision takes about 3-5 minutes, and then people get back to the party. A lot of people even leave the room during it, so it's just family. There is a similar celebration for baby girls (called a Baby Naming), although those don't include a surgical procedure. And for non-Jews, the procedure takes place in a hospital with just the parents present.


Is that why you support female circumcision? One less thing to clean?

Um, I don't support female circumcision. And circumcised boys/men do clean themselves, just like everyone else. Most humans bathe on a regular basis, yes? It just takes a little more effort for uncircumcised men to keep themselves clean enough to avoid infection. I'm sure they manage to do it, it's just easier for guys who are cut. Maybe because cut men are always clean, as opposed to uncut men, who are only clean right after they shower. I'd hate to catch an uncut dude at the wrong time of day, like first thing in the morning. Hello, buildup. Ick.

The fact is, male circumcision has some benefits, and it has no dangers or disadvantages when done properly. It's probably not necessary today, but there's no reason not to do it. I'm sorry if it creeps you out, but really, there's nothing wrong with it.

Petit Papillon
02-06-11, 09:05 AM
Sorry it's 3am ,don't feel like responding completely but I have to respond to this BS about washing penis being less easy for guys with foreskin . JESUS ! Take down the foreskin,wash it, let it slip back - 3 ****ing seconds. OOOH yeah soo complicated... Really ...

And what is better - A guy with foreskin who washes few times a day ,because of his serious "skin" condition or a cut guy who washes ONE time a day cause he's cut so he's "clean" . LOL . My bf washes everytime before we start to do something ,seriously , it's 3 ****ing seconds! Seconds!

ShellyZ
02-06-11, 09:21 AM
Yeah, but cut guys don't have to do that. It's already clean, provided he showers at least once a day and he didn't just run 5 miles in the sun. If guys don't mind washing the nastiness off their penis every time they want to do something with their girlfriend, that's fine. Cut guys just don't have that inconvenience, that's all. And not all guys are as vigilant about personal hygiene as yours is, so infections do happen, even in this day and age. There's no disadvantage to being cut.

Gratedwasabi
02-06-11, 09:33 AM
I'm hugely glad I'm cut. More attractive, less gross. Are they clean? Provided they were washed since the dude was hanging out in humidity/working out/moving around extensively/etc.. sure. But it gets dirty a heckuva lot faster than a cut penis.

vashti
02-06-11, 11:15 AM
In my professional experience, cleanliness IS an issue for elderly men with natural penises.

And really, whether you agree with the practice or not, to compare it to female circumcision is pure hyperbole.

Junket
02-06-11, 05:21 PM
In my professional experience, cleanliness IS an issue for elderly men with natural penises.

And really, whether you agree with the practice or not, to compare it to female circumcision is pure hyperbole.

How is it hyperbole?

Can a woman live a normal life without part of her vagina?

I'm sure she can, especially if she doesn't know any different. The only reason I can see that the procedure poses health risks is because it's performed by amateurs without the proper training and medical equipment.

I was circumcised and had painful skin infections on my penis up to when I was about 6. It would get red and burn pretty badly, I remember it clearly.

And the penis does not stay "clean" just because there's no foreskin any more than I'm "clean" right after coming back from the job. If I want to get sex, I better shower up. To suggest I'm wasting valuable time and water pulling back a foreskin is absurd. No woman should have the right to decide whether a baby boy should, or should not have a foreskin.

qwertz
02-06-11, 07:17 PM
Well, the umbilical cord is natural, but you don't propose keeping that on, do you? Sometimes there's extra skin, so you cut it off. No harm done. And tooth decay is natural, but I wouldn't advise anyone to stop the unnatural practice of brushing their teeth. A lot of painful, unnatural things (like vaccine injections and life-saving surgery) are actually good for you. So I don't buy the argument that unnatural = bad.

Um, I don't support female circumcision. And circumcised boys/men do clean themselves, just like everyone else. Most humans bathe on a regular basis, yes? It just takes a little more effort for uncircumcised men to keep themselves clean enough to avoid infection. I'm sure they manage to do it, it's just easier for guys who are cut. Maybe because cut men are always clean, as opposed to uncut men, who are only clean right after they shower. I'd hate to catch an uncut dude at the wrong time of day, like first thing in the morning. Hello, buildup. Ick.

Lol, i had to laugh at the cord comparison, it IS natural for the cord to be removed.

As for cleanliness...have you ever been with an uncut guy? Because i have only ever been with uncut guys, my bf is uncut and he does not get any kind of 'build up' ... we often enjoy morning sex, but he doesnt have to go and shower first because of any 'build up'.

pisces25
02-06-11, 08:28 PM
Was thinking the same thing Qwertz. My fella isn't cut either and I have never noticed a build-up. In fact the last few guys I have been with have been uncut and I have had no nasty experiences.

Drumzzz
02-06-11, 08:46 PM
mine is cut, but there's still some hair down there :)

Archie
02-06-11, 11:06 PM
Hair, what .. i don`t get it...out of place, isn`t it.

In some earlier post i saw the term "female circumcision". I`m sorry, are you mental? That`s inhuman. In no way is that a hyperbole. I don`t give half a dead rats ass about it being a tradition and whatnot. If there`s something that i`m up against more than male circumcision - that`s FGM, God have mercy on the person who thought of this bs.

Also, washing the penis that has a foreskin, it`s so difficult, whenever i think i have to do it i feel like my hands`ll fall off(sarcasm). Now it`s 2 people saying, "it takes 3 seconds!"

vashti
02-06-11, 11:53 PM
To make male circumcision the equivalent to female circumcision, you would have to remove the entire penis. You long-time posters know this; it's been pointed out a million times already. Also, there ARE health benefits associated with male circumcision, while there are absolutely NONE with female.

Jeez, you guys really need to be more objective about things. I don't care what you want to do with your children's wiener or your own, but let's stop pretending there are NO benefits when medical evidence says there IS. You are allowed to think the benefits do not outweigh the risks, and I wouldn't argue with you since THAT is a matter of opinion, but there are undeniably some medical benefits associated with it.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

As for the cleanliness issue, most young, healthy males don't have an issue (that I've seen). This changes dramatically when you are old and sick. Unfortunately, I have seen this first hand many, many, many times. And yes, your young, healthy boyfriends WILL get old one day, and some of them WILL have problems with keeping their penis clean, especially if they suffer a stroke, or Parkinsons, or any other ailment that affects movement.

doppelgaenger
03-06-11, 12:22 AM
Removing everybody's entire penis/vagina has all kinds of health benefits. No more STDs, no more smegma! Bye bye fish market!

Junket
03-06-11, 05:59 AM
As for the cleanliness issue, most young, healthy males don't have an issue (that I've seen). This changes dramatically when you are old and sick. Unfortunately, I have seen this first hand many, many, many times. And yes, your young, healthy boyfriends WILL get old one day, and some of them WILL have problems with keeping their penis clean, especially if they suffer a stroke, or Parkinsons, or any other ailment that affects movement.

Wouldn't that also make it difficult for them to wipe their ass properly as well?

Fact: If you remove a woman's clitoris (or anything else), she is less likely to enjoy sex, therefore less likely partake in sex, and less likely to contract STD's or get pregnant. Why else would they bother.

ShellyZ
03-06-11, 06:49 AM
Can a woman live a normal life without part of her vagina? I'm sure she can, especially if she doesn't know any different.

No she can't, because her vagina has to be sewn shut afterwards. It stays that way until she has sex for the first time, when the man's penis tears through the stitches and literally rips her vagina open. It's extremely painful and bleeds a lot.


The only reason I can see that the procedure poses health risks is because it's performed by amateurs without the proper training and medical equipment.

There is no proper training or medical equipment for this because it is not a safe medical procedure. That's why properly trained doctors won't do it. It's not surgery, it's mutilation. There are no benefits to it; the main reason that some cultures do it is to deter girls from having sex before marriage. Many girls die from it, either from blood loss or infection.


And the penis does not stay "clean" just because there's no foreskin any more than I'm "clean" right after coming back from the job. If I want to get sex, I better shower up. To suggest I'm wasting valuable time and water pulling back a foreskin is absurd.

I'm not suggesting that you're wasting time doing that. I'm suggesting that it's gross.


No woman should have the right to decide whether a baby boy should, or should not have a foreskin.

Actually, both parents decide. That's right guys, there are millions of fathers out there who decide to have their sons circumcised. And why shouldn't women decide? Mothers have parental rights over their kids, you know.


In some earlier post i saw the term "female circumcision". I`m sorry, are you mental? That`s inhuman. In no way is that a hyperbole.

You're right, it's horrible. That's why it's known as genital mutilation. A poster said it was hyperbole to compare it to male circumcision, which is perfectly safe and has benefits.


Also, washing the penis that has a foreskin, it`s so difficult, whenever i think i have to do it i feel like my hands`ll fall off(sarcasm). Now it`s 2 people saying, "it takes 3 seconds!"

I never said it was time-consuming or difficult to wash a penis (although it might be when you get old). Just that the uncut ones can get pretty nasty throughout the day. I'm glad it takes 3 seconds, but what you find under there is still gross. Keeping the foreskin is just like keeping a little pocket to hold the smegma buildup. If you like that little pocket full of grossness, more power to you. But seeing as how it doesn't help you in any way, you could certainly do without it. It doesn't give you any special powers, lol.

Guys who are cut don't miss the foreskin. You're acting like they're doomed to a miserable life because they've had something precious taken away from them. Millions of baby boys are circumcised all over the world all the time, and nothing bad happens to them. And yes, they're cleaner.

Junket
03-06-11, 06:58 AM
Guys who are cut don't miss the foreskin. You're acting like they're doomed to a miserable life because they've had something precious taken away from them. Millions of baby boys are circumcised all over the world all the time, and nothing bad happens to them. And yes, they're cleaner.

How would you know?

How would they know?

And there's different levels of female circumcision, unlike male genital mutilation. As I mentioned earlier, the only reason why any women die or get sick from the operation it because professional doctors don't offer the service. More baby boys would die or get sick from MGM were it not for modern medicine.

Oh, and if you dislike smegma so much, maybe you should consider female circumcision to remove the glands that give you smegma.


Hello Alice,

I've been wondering about the white stuff that is occasionally found in between my labia majora and labia minora... I do NOT have any STDs (I tested) and am assuming it's dried urine...

I want to get rid of this white stuff because it looks and smells bad as if I have STDs when I have oral sex. Is there any way to prevent getting this white stuff?

Thank you, a good guy seeker



Dear a good guy seeker,

The vagina normally secretes a clear or whitish substance to help cleanse itself and maintain a healthy environment. Changes in normal vaginal secretions (i.e., smell, texture, color, thickness, etc.) may indicate the presence of an infection. Some infections can be home treated; others need to be diagnosed and treated by a health care provider.

What you describe, however, sounds similar to the substance noticed by men with uncircumcised penises found under the foreskin: smegma. Smegma is a natural lubricating residue made up of shedded skin cells, skin oil secretions, and moisture, including sweat. Its cheesy like appearance can vary in color from almost white to a darker shade, depending on a person's skin tone. Smegma gathers in the nooks and crannies of the body's skin folds, including between the labia and around the clitoral hood. Because of male circumcision, it is more common among women than men.

You women are f*cking nasty.

vashti
03-06-11, 07:16 AM
Wouldn't that also make it difficult for them to wipe their ass properly as well?


Yes. It's a lot easier to clean the ass than it is to clean a retracted penis that still has foreskin. A sick old man's penis actually retracts inside the body a lot of the time, and the skin is not always intact because of the medications people take as they age, as it does when someone is chronically taking steroids (common with the elderly). The skin literally peels off the body due to a combination of thin skin, incontinence, and infection. Combine this with the fact that old men are embarrassed to see their penis this way, and are resistant to asking for help when they need it because they don't want anyone else to see them this way.

Seriously, you guys have no idea what I see on a regular basis! Also, I've seen phimosis that developed later in life on a male that didn't have it when he was young. The opening to his penis was so small, we couldn't insert a urinary catheter, so the poor guy had to have an opening made directly to the bladder through his abdomen.

I'm not saying that all this is reason enough to have a circumcision. I'm just saying that cleanliness IS an issue when you are old and sick.

And for the record, there ARE (a few) medically trained professionals who perform female circumcision. Also for the record, removing ONLY the clitoral hood is extremely rare, which is why I said that removing the penis is the equivalent (NOT a simple male circumcision).

Pakistani
03-06-11, 07:29 AM
I heard cut penises produce more beautiful kids, is it true?

ShellyZ
03-06-11, 08:12 AM
How would you know?

Because almost all the guys I've known or dated have been cut, and it has never been a problem for them. Most of them cringe if you mention the idea of an uncut penis. I think they're glad they're cut, lol.


How would they know?

I think they know how they feel. And really, what advantage does the foreskin give you? Is your life really so much better because of that foreskin? Do you really think men without a foreskin are suffering?


the only reason why any women die or get sick from the operation it because professional doctors don't offer the service.

No, it's because it's dangerous, no matter who does it. Even a professional doctor could not safely stab someone in the heart. Certain things are just dangerous, period.


Oh, and if you dislike smegma so much, maybe you should consider female circumcision to remove the glands that give you smegma.

Because then I would have to get my vagina sewn shut, and that would cause much pain and suffering throughout my life. And the procedure could not be done safely, and there would be absolutely no benefits to it. A natural vagina needs to be cleaned once a day. A natural penis needs to be cleaned 3-4 times a day. See the difference? Also, the penis does not need to be stitched up afterwards. It simply heals on its own, and then life goes on as normal for the boy.

Junket
03-06-11, 08:26 AM
Because almost all the guys I've known or dated have been cut, and it has never been a problem for them. Most of them cringe if you mention the idea of an uncut penis. I think they're glad they're cut, lol.



I think they know how they feel. And really, what advantage does the foreskin give you? Is your life really so much better because of that foreskin? Do you really think men without a foreskin are suffering?



No, it's because it's dangerous, no matter who does it. Even a professional doctor could not safely stab someone in the heart. Certain things are just dangerous, period.



Because then I would have to get my vagina sewn shut, and that would cause much pain and suffering throughout my life. And the procedure could not be done safely, and there would be absolutely no benefits to it. A natural vagina needs to be cleaned once a day. A natural penis needs to be cleaned 3-4 times a day. See the difference? Also, the penis does not need to be stitched up afterwards. It simply heals on its own, and then life goes on as normal for the boy.

No you wouldn't, you're a liar.



I think they know how they feel.

That makes absolutely no sense.

doppelgaenger
03-06-11, 09:00 AM
I never said it was time-consuming or difficult to wash a penis (although it might be when you get old). Just that the uncut ones can get pretty nasty throughout the day. I'm glad it takes 3 seconds, but what you find under there is still gross. Keeping the foreskin is just like keeping a little pocket to hold the smegma buildup. If you like that little pocket full of grossness, more power to you.


The vagina normally secretes a clear or whitish substance to help cleanse itself and maintain a healthy environment. Changes in normal vaginal secretions (i.e., smell, texture, color, thickness, etc.) may indicate the presence of an infection. Some infections can be home treated; others need to be diagnosed and treated by a health care provider.

What you describe, however, sounds similar to the substance noticed by men with uncircumcised penises found under the foreskin: smegma. Smegma is a natural lubricating residue made up of shedded skin cells, skin oil secretions, and moisture, including sweat. Its cheesy like appearance can vary in color from almost white to a darker shade, depending on a person's skin tone. Smegma gathers in the nooks and crannies of the body's skin folds, including between the labia and around the clitoral hood. Because of male circumcision, it is more common among women than men.

LOL. Touché. It's obvious that Shelly has never smelled her own snatch at the end of the day before...
I don't care if your vagina cleans itself. If you don't thoroughly scrub it like I scrub my dick and balls with sandalwood soap every day, it's still disgusting and dirty, and probably smells like a fish market. I wonder would you could fish out of those "pockets". Yuck.

The whole "the penis is a dirty and disgusting part of the male body" is an obvious double standard, and it's humiliating to have someone who doesn't even have a penis to tell us why we would miss our little flap of worthless, useless, functionless skin. It's a coincidence that as soon as you label something as useless or functionless, it automatically becomes acceptable to remove for "health benefits". Frasbee has been making a rhetorical argument here to show you parallels that might help you understand, but you bitches cover your ears and cry, "female genital mutilation!" every time, because you're not willing to listen. It's plain and simple; if parts of your pussy were removed that made your clit shrivel up into a dried mushroom (thus, insensitive), and you were told that your disgusting smegma pocket was transformed into its current condition for health benefits, you might feel a little emasculated, especially because the issue could have been corrected with a little scrub-a-dub-dub. And if it was in common practice, you might even be angry that men would find the appearanc of a natural vagina morbidly repulsive.

doppelgaenger
03-06-11, 09:18 AM
I'm not saying that all this is reason enough to have a circumcision. I'm just saying that cleanliness IS an issue when you are old and sick.

Yeah, but we are young and horny, and care about our appearance. I shave my balls!

ShellyZ
03-06-11, 09:46 AM
I don't care if your vagina cleans itself. If you don't thoroughly scrub it like I scrub my dick and balls with sandalwood soap every day, it's still disgusting and dirty, and probably smells like a fish market.

And who says I don't clean thoroughly? I hate to tell you this, but a vagina is different from a penis. A cut penis requires about as much cleaning as a natural vagina. An uncut penis requires more. I didn't make that up.


The whole "the penis is a dirty and disgusting part of the male body" is an obvious double standard, and it's humiliating to have someone who doesn't even have a penis to tell us why we would miss our little flap of worthless, useless, functionless skin.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but there are certain parts of the human body (male and female) that I think are gross. I was addressing the benefits of male circumcision, since they are real. You may be humiliated by it, but it's the truth, and I wasn't the one who discovered this truth. It was discovered way back in Biblical times. I've known many men who are cut, none of them has a problem with it. So yeah, I would think it was ridiculous if a cut guy cried that he missed his foreskin.


Frasbee has been making a rhetorical argument here to show you parallels that might help you understand, but you bitches cover your ears and cry, "female genital mutilation!" every time, because you're not willing to listen.

But that's the problem: There are no parallels between male and female circumcision. It's not the same at all, for the reasons I have already mentioned. Want me to mention them again? Female genital mutilation requires stitching. The vagina must be sewn up for life. It is then torn open with a penis when a girl has sex for the first time. The procedure is dangerous and often fatal. None of those things are true about male circumcision. There are no stitches. There are no body cavities that are sewn shut and then ripped open violently years later. It's safe and actually beneficial. If male circumcision was like female circumcision, no one would do it. The reason it's done is because it's safe and it does not have any negative effect on the boy's life. Such is not the case with female circumcision.


It's plain and simple; if parts of your pussy were removed that made your clit shrivel up into a dried mushroom (thus, insensitive), and you were told that your disgusting smegma pocket was transformed into its current condition for health benefits, you might feel a little emasculated, especially because the issue could have been corrected with a little scrub-a-dub-dub.

Are you saying a cut penis shrivels up into a dry, insensitive mushroom? If that's the case, then you need to see a doctor, because that's not normal. Circumcision should not change the feeling or sensitivity of the penis. If it did, no man in the world would allow his son to be circumcised. Obviously, circumcised men are doing just fine. Perhaps you should inform them that their penises are actually dysfunctional and prevent them from leading happy lives. If only they still had their foreskin, they would be happy and they would feel like real men. I guess they just don't know how miserable they should be; maybe you should go tell them.

BTW, women can't feel emasculated. Only men can.


And if it was in common practice, you might even be angry that men would find the appearanc of a natural vagina morbidly repulsive.

As if men don't judge women by their bodies. Besides, not all women find the appearance of a natural penis repulsive. That's a matter of personal preference. If they're used to it, they don't have a problem with it. In fact, a lot of men find the appearance of a natural penis repulsive because they're not used to it. It's not a matter of being sexist. It's a matter of "I've never seen that before, that's weird-looking." Men or women can have that reaction. I've actually heard a lot of guys say that about uncut actors they see in porn.

If you think vaginas look or smell gross, that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. But the fact remains, female circumcision would not solve that problem. It would only create new ones. It would either kill the girl or make her live a life of pain and suffering. If you, as a man, are suffering because you've been circumcised, then you need therapy.

doppelgaenger
03-06-11, 11:26 AM
Shelly, you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about.


A cut penis requires about as much cleaning as a natural vagina. An uncut penis requires more. I didn't make that up.

That's not true, and you did make that up. Vaginas are way more work than penises, cut or uncut. But that's not my point. My point is that vaginas are really smelly at the end of the day, just like uncut dicks.


Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but there are certain parts of the human body (male and female) that I think are gross. I was addressing the benefits of male circumcision, since they are real. You may be humiliated by it, but it's the truth, and I wasn't the one who discovered this truth. It was discovered way back in Biblical times. I've known many men who are cut, none of them has a problem with it. So yeah, I would think it was ridiculous if a cut guy cried that he missed his foreskin.

If I laugh any harder, I'm going to piss blood. I am not personally offended by your posts. I think your level of intelligence on the issue is a joke. LOL, health benefits discovered "biblical times". You really do have no idea what you're talking about.


But that's the problem: There are no parallels between male and female circumcision. It's not the same at all, for the reasons I have already mentioned. Want me to mention them again? Female genital mutilation requires stitching. The vagina must be sewn up for life. It is then torn open with a penis when a girl has sex for the first time. The procedure is dangerous and often fatal. None of those things are true about male circumcision. There are no stitches. There are no body cavities that are sewn shut and then ripped open violently years later. It's safe and actually beneficial. If male circumcision was like female circumcision, no one would do it. The reason it's done is because it's safe and it does not have any negative effect on the boy's life. Such is not the case with female circumcision.

There are parallels indeed! You will continue to deny this because of your western bias. Here are your parallels:

both are cutting of genitals, of babies/children without consent, at parents behest
both are removing erogenous tissue
both are supposedly beneficial
both are justified by aesthetics, supposed "health benefits", religion, sexual effects, custom, and conformity
both are minimized by their supporters
both are performed by their adult victims
both are extremely painful and can cause harm
both have potential to cause severe damage
both can cause death
and yet, only one is legal in western countries.

In light of that, whether or not female circumcision requires stitches is insignificant, even though male circumcision may require stitches as well. Furthermore, what you're referring to as female circumcision is just an extreme case, not every case; certainly not the majority of cases. "In its most extreme form, infibulation, where the girl's vagina is sewn shut, the procedure ensures virginity." (Female Genital Mutilation: Encyclopedia of Medicine (http://www.enotes.com/medicine-encyclopedia/female-genital-mutilation)) Oh, and Shelly, guess what? Infibulation is also performed on males. And to clarify, male circumcision is not performed because it's "safe" and "doesn't do harm" (ha! whatever). That doesn't even make sense; that's only justification for it.


Are you saying a cut penis shrivels up into a dry, insensitive mushroom? If that's the case, then you need to see a doctor, because that's not normal. Circumcision should not change the feeling or sensitivity of the penis. If it did, no man in the world would allow his son to be circumcised. Obviously, circumcised men are doing just fine. Perhaps you should inform them that their penises are actually dysfunctional and prevent them from leading happy lives. If only they still had their foreskin, they would be happy and they would feel like real men. I guess they just don't know how miserable they should be; maybe you should go tell them.

Here's a little nugget for you: removing erogenous tissue from the genitals affects the feeling/sensitivity of the penis/vagina... especially when this tissue is prepuce of the most sensitive area (as opposed to a useless flap of skin, like you call it). Without the prepuce to protect that area, the glans/clit are exposed, and become permanently dry. It's disputed whether this affects sensitivity. IMO, it does. So not only are nerve endings from prepuce lost, but the glans/clit may be affected as well. Post surgery, there is nothing a doctor can do to fix this.

It's not my place to tell someone that their penis is dysfunctional. That is for every person to decide for himself, and for him to accept. I am not victimizing myself here, and you're ridiculing me as if I were! Stop telling me to seek therapy and focus on the argument if you want to have an adult conversation.



BTW, women can't feel emasculated. Only men can.
Arguing semantics with a person who does not also have a MA in linguistics is a pure waste of my time. Try for neutered, mutilated, or debilitated.



As if men don't judge women by their bodies. Besides, not all women find the appearance of a natural penis repulsive. That's a matter of personal preference. If they're used to it, they don't have a problem with it. In fact, a lot of men find the appearance of a natural penis repulsive because they're not used to it. It's not a matter of being sexist. It's a matter of "I've never seen that before, that's weird-looking." Men or women can have that reaction. I've actually heard a lot of guys say that about uncut actors they see in porn.

Men judging women by their bodies is irrelevant to this topic, and besides women judge men by their bodies, too, so your argument is no good. You're saying here that circumcision/genital mutilation is justified for aesthetic reasons. You're missing my point: the fact is that no matter what the justification, anywhere that circumcision is widely practiced, the women are usually repulsed/shocked by the appearance of the natural penis, and where circumcision is not common practice, women are shocked/repulsed by the appearance of a circumcised penis... so, my point is that circumcision is never justified by aesthetic reasons; aesthetics is subjective.


If you think vaginas look or smell gross, that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. But the fact remains, female circumcision would not solve that problem. It would only create new ones. It would either kill the girl or make her live a life of pain and suffering. If you, as a man, are suffering because you've been circumcised, then you need therapy.

Unwashed vaginas look and smell gross: my opinion, and also the general consensus; nobody wants to make love to a dirty person. Personal hygiene is not a justified reason for circumcision. Fact; circumcision does not eliminate or reduce hygiene requirements and maintenance. Fact. Any questions?

ShellyZ
03-06-11, 11:55 AM
Well, isn't this timely?

Criminalizing Circumcision: Self-Hatred As Public Policy | Psychology Today (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sexual-intelligence/201106/criminalizing-circumcision-self-hatred-public-policy)

As for your parallels, most of them are not true:

both are cutting of genitals, of babies/children without consent, at parents behest - True
both are removing erogenous tissue - True
both are supposedly beneficial - False
both are justified by aesthetics, supposed "health benefits", religion, sexual effects, custom, and conformity - True
both are minimized by their supporters - False
both are performed by their adult victims - Huh?
both are extremely painful and can cause harm - False
both have potential to cause severe damage - False
both can cause death - False

doppelgaenger
03-06-11, 12:11 PM
Ha, you argue circumcision is good and proper.
I supply factual information proving you wrong.
You ignore, and argue that circumcised males who are dissatisfied with circumcision need therapy.
I win.

both are supposedly beneficial - False

Benefits of Female Circumcision (http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/circumcision/response.html)

both are minimized by their supporters - False

Yes, this is true. You support circumcision, apparently, and you have minimized it in your posts. Should I point this out?
Read this book:
For minimization of female circumcision, read: Female "circumcision" in Africa: culture, controversy, and change, Bettina Shell-Duncan, Ylva Hernlund

both are performed by their adult victims - Huh?
Both male/female circ is performed on victims by victims. Valid point worth considering when you debate that a person would never cause their child harm, regarding circ.

both are extremely painful and can cause harm - False

This is so ridiculous, I demand you explain why you think this is false.

both have potential to cause severe damage - False

Assuming you think that male circumcision does not cause severe damage.
Circumcision Complications (http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html)
Botch Gallery 1 - skin bridges (http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.html)
Botch Gallery 2 - skin tags (http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched2st.html)
How to Identify Circumcision Damage in the Adult Male (http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm)

both can cause death - False

Circumcision | Infant circumcision causes 100 deaths each year in US | ICGI - Genital Integrity & Intactivism (http://www.icgi.org/2010/04/infant-circumcision-causes-100-deaths-each-year-in-us/)
Circumcision and Male Infant Mortality (http://www.circumcision.org/mortality.htm)
http://www.circinfosite.com/45.html

the_robot
04-06-11, 04:00 AM
Okay, I don't want to get into arguments, but I've been reading this thread all along and I feel like I have to speak up.

First of all, that bullcrap about cut penises being cleaner is nonsense, it takes 1 second while I'm having a shower to keep it clean for a daily basis. Seriously, I don't get that stegma thing ShellyZ is talking about or any nasty stuff, it doesn't take much to keep it clean. If I were to do something it would take a little over that second to wash it just in case, so.. no biggie there. As for vashti's point, it does make sense, but I'm not going to worry about what may happen with my body 70 years from now, if the time comes I will allow them to circumcise me, but I prefer to be dead before I'm too old to wash myself.

And second, I asked a friend of mine who got circumcised a couple of years ago, being 19-20 and not a virgin, and he told me he did lose some sensitivity there, so... it does affect to certain point, at least for this guy.

Junket
04-06-11, 05:26 AM
Well, isn't this timely?

Criminalizing Circumcision: Self-Hatred As Public Policy | Psychology Today (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sexual-intelligence/201106/criminalizing-circumcision-self-hatred-public-policy)

As for your parallels, most of them are not true:

both are cutting of genitals, of babies/children without consent, at parents behest - True
both are removing erogenous tissue - True
both are supposedly beneficial - False
both are justified by aesthetics, supposed "health benefits", religion, sexual effects, custom, and conformity - True
both are minimized by their supporters - False
both are performed by their adult victims - Huh?
both are extremely painful and can cause harm - False
both have potential to cause severe damage - False
both can cause death - False

Did she just say that cutting off genital tissue is not extremely painful and cannot cause harm, damage, or even have the remote potential of leading to death?

Incognito
05-06-11, 01:16 PM
Why is this such an issue? Some people have circumcisions some don't. Period. Do all guys that have circumcisions have subpar sensitivity? No. Do all uncircumcised guys have foreskins full of gunk? No. Neither of you are totally right and neither of you are totally wrong, no matter what linked evidence you may present.

IndiReloaded
05-06-11, 01:41 PM
There isn't, to my knowledge, any naturally-occurring equivalent of a circumcised penis. Its about as natural and necessary as nose-jobs or breast implants. Its a religious-driven practice, nothing more. Doctors used to remove tonsils and adenoids as a matter of course but now we know it can actually compromise an adult's immune system to do so. Even the obvious rebuttal of our 'vestigial' appendix seems to have a function in our immune system.... Evolution has had a very long time to work out these kinds of things and its silly to think we know better.

Incognito
05-06-11, 01:48 PM
Hey hey Indi. Someone told me that you had given up forums because they took up too much time. Glad to have you back.

Oh yeah, back on topic.... I think it did start as a purely religious practice, but I really don't see how it makes a difference either way nowadays (other than a few cases on both sides of the issue).

IndiReloaded
05-06-11, 02:15 PM
Hey Incognito, nice to e-see you too, lol.

I seem to be back, posting mostly on weekends. Right now, I'm working on a project that will be keeping me up to the wee hours. Posting here when I need a break (and waiting for more coffee to brew).

Caragh87
05-06-11, 05:39 PM
They scare me!