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Old 12-05-08, 06:17 AM
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I thought GrkScorp was a fairytale character...

Which kingdom did you come from, GrkScorp?
Must.., resist.., temptation.., to say.., SPARTA!!!

Although.., speaking of fairytale and characters.., a friend of mine who was a digital artist actually made my avatar.., he then later used it on a game he was developing.., but he never finished the game.., one guy can't do everything..

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Love is a load of crap. There is no love. There's lust and once that dies there's the memory of lust. But nothing else. All that fairytale crap is just that, crap.

But you won't believe me. Not until you've been married ten years and the only thing that keeps you from leaving your hubbie is reminiscing about those first few months when the lust was still there.
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Love is a load of crap. There is no love. There's lust and once that dies there's the memory of lust. But nothing else. All that fairytale crap is just that, crap.

But you won't believe me. Not until you've been married ten years and the only thing that keeps you from leaving your hubbie is reminiscing about those first few months when the lust was still there.
Are you speaking out of experience?
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Love is a load of crap. There is no love. There's lust and once that dies there's the memory of lust. But nothing else. All that fairytale crap is just that, crap.

But you won't believe me. Not until you've been married ten years and the only thing that keeps you from leaving your hubbie is reminiscing about those first few months when the lust was still there.
I remember Vash had an article on this some time ago, different chemical processes guiding different feelings. One guided more by oxytocin and the other is more seratonin driven. One is lust, one is love, different feelings.

Though this aside, you don't really think for a second that what makes you, you is your rational thoughts, do you? Rubbish! Your conscious thoughts are just a front for your genes that manipulate your behaviour through various chemical processes to achieve the ultimate goal, the next stage in evolution. Once in your life there will come a person whose genes and personality are so compatible to yours that your own internal processes will make it to imposible for you to leave. She will be like a drug, like heroin no matter what you do you won't be able to shake those feelings. If you try, your genes will punish you and the withdrawal symptoms will be sever.

Some call this madness "love".
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I know what you're talking about. The same nonsense that makes a guy weep like a bitch when his girl sucks a different prick. But it ain't love. And it ain't purely emotional. I'd call it obsession. Never met a girl yet that could make me feel that way and I never will.
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The same nonsense that makes a guy weep like a bitch when his girl sucks a different prick. But it ain't love. And it ain't purely emotional.
That's true. There's a different aspect to love as well I think, one which is more connected to your own esteem. One where you give for the sake of giving, one where you help others, where you are kind for the sake of being kind. It's also part of love for partner or sometimes for anybody. So not purely emotional though I think there's still an under current of emotional drive. In the end that's what controls our behaviour, emotions. Thoughts (the way I see it anyway) is just our lame attempt to create or manufcature emotions consciously so we can keep our behaviour under control.

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Never met a girl yet that could make me feel that way and I never will.
I used to think that way as well. Never say never
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Feh. I'm plenty safe from love and obession. Unless I bump into an Irene Adler...
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That's true. There's a different aspect to love as well I think, one which is more connected to your own esteem. One where you give for the sake of giving, one where you help others, where you are kind for the sake of being kind. It's also part of love for partner or sometimes for anybody. So not purely emotional though I think there's still an under current of emotional drive. In the end that's what controls our behaviour, emotions. Thoughts (the way I see it anyway) is just our lame attempt to create or manufcature emotions consciously so we can keep our behaviour under control.
Lest we forget that at the end of the day.., without these buildings.., technology.., or clothes.., we are no more or less an animal than any other creature on this planet.., that's the naked truth..

Our goals are the same:

Primary: To survive
Secondary: To procreate and pass on those survivor genes

That's it.., that's all there is to your life.., survive.., have kids.., raise kids.., die..

There a whole array of reasons why we have thoughts.., but when it comes to partner selection.., there are only two reasons that drive our thoughts.., (survival & procreation).., deep in your unconscious.., these are the only two things that matter..

So then.., what things come into play.., how the hell can we account for two people coming together.., it's rather rude of them to think.., "I want to be with you because you will help me and my children survive.., and you have good genes I can pass on to my children so that they too may survive".., what's the next step in unconscious thinking?

Three things:

- Attraction --> (notice: genes --> will pass along to children)
- Comfort --> (We'll get to this later)
- Value --> (notice: survival of one's self & children)

Typical Male:

- Attraction <-- (breasts.., butt.., hips.., waist.., legs.., face.., feminine sexual appeal)

Female Type I:

- Attraction <-- (face.., body.., style.., masculine sexual appeal)

Female Type II:

- Value <-- (Mr. Degree.., Net Assets.., Income.., Job)

Female Type III:

- Attraction
- Value

Female Type IV:

- Attraction
- Comfort (understanding.., good communication.., connection.., chemistry)

Female Type V:

- Attraction
- Comfort
- Value

A good-looking partner will no doubt pass on some of those genes to the kids.., and so there's mental framework in place to make us chase after that.., (sexual desire).., so our thought process reads.., "omg.., so hot.., will be able to give me so much sexual pleasure"..

A strong partner (which in today's day and age.., means wealthy).., will secure the survival of both you and the children.., and their ability to survive in the future and pass on those genes..

So far.., all of that doesn't really sound too romantic.., if we would imagine a notion of "love".., this wouldn't be it..

Why the need for comfort?

Comfort is one of those things.., that is really the super-glue behind two people staying together.., The emperor penguins for example.., don't have income.., they all look the same.., but if they don't have that special "pair bond".., there is no way they can expect to have that egg hatch into a little baby penguin and survive past -120 degree weather for months..

Comfort is.., everything else.., it's bonding.., it's connection.., it's fluid communication and perfect understanding.., sensitivity and care for one's needs.., and it allows the other person to feel.., that there is someone out there.., who knows how they feel.., who can "comfort" them.., protect them.., keep them safe.., make them feel secure.., motivate them.., be supportive.., and see them happy.. (yeah.., that's nice.., but why is this important again?)

What does it mean when two people see eachother.., and start dating? Isn't it just an attempt to pass on genes? And when things "just didn't work out".., what does that mean? Something was lacking.., was it that they weren't sexually satisfying them (attraction)? was it that they were too poor (value)? Or was it something else? And if so.., what?

If you're not motivated to get up.., and try.., to put energy and effort into life.., into everything you do.., chances are.., you're not just going to fail in school.., work.., or life.., but with your children aswell.., and more immediately.., with your partner.., which means that you and your partner may go your own ways.., with a child in the picture.., which means that child's chances of survival are less.., which unconsciously (is unattractive & a major no-no).., it's for this reason that lazy people are unattractive.., but also.., why those who can motivate us to be better people.., are attractive.., those who can see things in us that we can't see in ourselves.., who are supportive.., understanding.., care for us.., etc.., (all comfort)..

The Human Pair Bond:

Let's imagine for a minute.., a man and a woman meet.., and that comfort is important to both of them.., what kind of dynamic do you think would exist if they would both give comfort to eachother? It goes beyond sex.., it goes beyond money.., what is going on? What can we call this? It's most definitely not lust.., it's not something that can fade.., it's a self-feeding cycle.., it just keeps getting stronger with time.. back and forth.., it's love..

"You complete me"

It's more than.., "you fill a void in my pants".., if you're creative.., it's someone coming into your life.., and letting you explore your analytical side.., or where others have rejected you.., has accepted you just the way you are.., makes you feel better about yourself.., and makes you want to be a better person.., they already make you feel like a better person.., (comforting insecurities.., validating needs & wants.., validating ego & self-identity).., and when this is mutual.., it really is better than sex.., better than money.., it's love..

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Love is a load of crap. There is no love. There's lust and once that dies there's the memory of lust. But nothing else. All that fairytale crap is just that, crap.

But you won't believe me. Not until you've been married ten years and the only thing that keeps you from leaving your hubbie is reminiscing about those first few months when the lust was still there.
I'm coming to the conclusion that I cannot diffuse lust from love.

If I no longer lust for my girlfriend, the relationship as it is, will die. Though, clearly, you spend enough time with somebody, you develop a love for them. I love my friends if for only for the fact we grew up together and been through a lot of shit.

'Course we need to continue doing things outside of sex to develop the other side of the relationship, need a balance

So long as she keeps me fluttering around her voluptuous body, I won't be distracted as easily by other women. That's why she's goin' out this weekend to get some new clothes.
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Love is a load of crap.
So you're in LF to try to convince us of that axiomatic fact?

As I see it, infatuation is crap. True love is a decision you make, something you choose with your brain. After all, your heart is just a muscle that bombs blood, isn't it?
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Elementary, my dear...
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I don't always believe in that kind of love because I have never been loved or felt loved and so I have come to believe that now - I never will. And I believe that because boys always laugh at me when someone makes up a rumor that a boy fancies me and my brother tells me regularly that I should shut up and go away and that noone likes me - so I believe it.

I hope there is love, but I haven't experienced it.

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In my opinion, you can't be truly in love until six months after the relationship has started. Anything pre-six months is the honeymoon stage and everything seems good because it's new. The problem is that if someone feels like they love someone after month one, if they last past six months they think that they were really in love for the extra five months. No... you can't truly be in love until you know all about them... their personality, their dreams, their goals...

Another thing I don't believe in is love at first sight. That's bullshit. It's lust at first sight.
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Yes, lust at first sight can potentially become love... but when you finally fall in love it surely isn't the first time you've seen them.

And finding someone that you can fall in love with and share a strong bond with and be best friends is amazing. I have that and I love it.
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its just guys
ok so a lot of guys just say their in love cuz they dont wanna lose their girl ya know. some guys are scumbags and throw it out there so they can keep their piece of ass. some guys just have fun with girls but dont love them ya know. i dont understand it either cuz i dont do any of those things. me personally i waited to say i love u when i truly knew it. she said it first quite a while before me. also guys KNOW if they wanna be with a girl right at the beginning too. if a guy is dating a girl he really cant see himself being with for a long time then he prolly just wants attention and sex and someone to be with. i dunno when i met my girl i knew she special and she had so many qualities i want in a relationship and i never meet girls like her....its rare. i gave her my all and its not lust at all its love and its wonderful. thats just me though....i'm a nympho but i can live without sex unlike most guys lol. hmm i'm not so sure all guys are different and i havent met any like me yet so i must be weird lol. if u have any questions feel free to ask me.
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