I personally don't buy milk at whole foods, my hubby does and I think he's crazy and he's the one talking about what's happening in the country. We're actually doing alot of "green" things now. We've bought those bags from the stores which you use everytime you shop(our grocery store, whole foods, and walmart) They're nice. In the next few years when we decide to buy or build, we're placing solar panels on the house,etc. It's just sad to see on the whole what's happening here and it's out of control. I don't think most people get it.

By the way boob-my husband paid for the car in cash. It's not my money. And I'm more up on the global situation than you realize, thanks for the article though. Hence I started some of these threads.

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i haven't really given up anything because as gas prices start to soar, i always have been moving up the corporate chain.

speaking of which, i'm going to buy a 4-banger today.

raverboy

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...this is just my perspective on the situation...

I'm going to find a new job and the fact that I have to drive all over town is a big part of why. I just can't believe how much it costs to fill up my gas tank, and my boss is so cavalier about sending me all over the place to do stuff- not efficient at all.

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I think all women really want is to be proven wrong about men.

yeah so i guess i didn't buy my car.. they didn't have the damn thing.

raverboy

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It costs about 1,7$ a liter when translated in to the USD, here. But then again, our life standards are much more lower and besides, most of the oil comes from Russia.

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Think again!

i've given up going out to eat. it's too expensive, not hearty or filling. much cheaper and easier to cook at home. food is getting more expensive. i don't drive very much as i work from home, but definitely going out of town, taking road trips, plane trips, etc. is off for a while. prices are so high right now it's just not worth traveling unless you're going far away for a long time or it's important.

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a wise man isn't always saved by his wisdom. just like a stupid man does not always do stupid things.

I work in an office of with 6 other attorneys and for them to complain of gas is something. Heres a great email I just received about buying gas.



TIPS ON PUMPING GAS


I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline..... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon...


Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.


Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still co ld. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer g asoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.


A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps..


When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pump ing on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money..


One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine.. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and t he atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.


Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.


DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!


WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON


Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.


An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.


Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.


Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.


I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.


These companies import Middle Eastern oil:


Shell............................ 205,742,000 barrels


Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels


Exxon/Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels


Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels


Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels


Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel


Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:


Sunoco..................0 barrels


Conoco.................. .0 barrels


Sinclair...................0 barrels


BP/Phillips..............0 barrels


Hess......................0 barrels


ARC0.....................0 barrels


If you go to Sunoco.com <http://sunoco.com/> , you will get a list of the station locations near you.


All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.


But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.


Now, doesn't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!


I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)... And so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!


If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUND RED MILLION PEOPLE!!!


Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all that take?

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I know they adjust at the pumps for the cold temperature here in Canada. But it gets a LOT colder here than in Cali.

Petrol here is 1.35 per litre. Convert to US gallons, that = $5.13/gallon.

That's in Vancouver, folks. And the Alberta tar sands isn't that far... so expect further increases. Right now, your govt has some wiggle room b/c of the taxes.

Not to mention healthier and more delicious ...

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The more I see, the more I don't know for sure. - John Lennon

Is this thread for money matters? OK, A couple of suggestions:

• Leave your car at home on Sundays, • Make an agenda so that you will drive the least possible
• Keep your tires well pumped (that reduces gas consumption a lot)
• Use public transportation (can't be that bad, can it?)

As for the dictator who hates Americans, his plan doesn't deal with the US at all. He's trying to build a sort of USSA (United States of South America), so he uses the media to continue being "important".

How? Simple, with the money he gets from selling oil, he tries to finance the presidential campaigns of his "fellows". As soon as he can get all the countries' presidencies, he will summon a South American summit, create the USSA and become its president.

It's so obvious it stinks.

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public transportation?? hrmm...

alright so i live in hawaii, but i doubt that it'll be that much different around the nation.

a one way bus fare is $2. monthly pass i'm going to guess is $40, well that's the last that i remember. a 10 minute cab ride is probably 10 bucks or so. and trains, we don't have them here in hawaii, but in japan it was about $2 average just depending on distance.

now with the gas prices being about 4 bucks a gallon, i'd rather have my own car to travel for roughly the same price.

raverboy

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Are you talking about Chavez? Yes, I've been reading about him (Economist), he's a piece of work. Brash as brass. Interesting guy, tho.

The US media is just as biased about his administration, of course. Most of their quotes come from analysts who are decidedly against his gov't. Calling him and Castro 'the Western axis of evil' seems a bit much, don't you think? What the opinion of him where you are?

mm... I stated it above. He's a fundamentalist, he wants something and, as he sees it, everyone against his thoughts might be considered against him.

In Peru, his puppet is called Ollanta Humala. As long as he doesn't become our president, I guess there won't be problems. Peru has already had its share of fundamentalism with Fujimori and Montesinos, so there's no need to try any more. We are like vaccinated already.

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